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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:16 PM #71
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Big brother is watching. Wait until alcohol use, medications, eye problems and whatever the anti's can think of becomes an issue. Gun grabbers will use any means necessary to take your guns away. It's for the children don't you know.
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Big brother is watching. Wait until alcohol use, medications, eye problems and whatever the anti's can think of becomes an issue. Gun grabbers will use any means necessary to take your guns away. It's for the children don't you know.
if it saves just one life....
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Old December 7th, 2017, 01:27 PM #73
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Help deflate my argument. If you have a medical marijuana card, aren't you in violation of federal law. So, you should not be able to vote because of an admitted felony.
It could probably be argued that way.

SCOTUS would ultimately have to determine (don't think it ever has) if 2A disqualifying felonies would have to either be "any felony" (i.e tax evasion, drug felonies, lying to FBI/Congress , etc.), or only "violent felonies" (i.e. robbery, felony assault, kidnapping, felony homicide, etc.) convictions.

I would venture to guess that a higher percentage of pot smokers lean to the left. I wonder what is more important to the left, the ability to smoke pot, or keeping their voters on the voter rolls?
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It could probably be argued that way.

SCOTUS would ultimately have to determine (don't think it ever has) if 2A disqualifying felonies would have to either be "any felony" (i.e tax evasion, drug felonies, lying to FBI/Congress , etc.), or only "violent felonies" (i.e. robbery, felony assault, kidnapping, felony homicide, etc.) convictions.

I would venture to guess that a higher percentage of pot smokers lean to the left. I wonder what is more important to the left, the ability to smoke pot, or keeping their voters on the voter rolls?
Haven't you been paying attention? "Restoring" the voting rights of felons has been pretty high on their list the past 5 years or so.

I am 100% against felons having any rights "restored". What is a felony if not a loss of rights?

If the left wants the punishments reduced, they should propose to have the crimes reduced to misdemeanors.
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Haven't you been paying attention? "Restoring" the voting rights of felons has been pretty high on their list the past 5 years or so.

I am 100% against felons having any rights "restored". What is a felony if not a loss of rights?
2 follow up points.

1. If the Left "federally" argues to restore voting rights to felons does anyone come behind them and argue that 2A rights be restored because of the same. I doubt the Left would ever want 2A restoration.

2. If a felon is "safe" enough to be released back into the population, are they not "safe" enough for 2A restoration? If no, then I believe they should remain incarcerated until otherwise adjudicated.
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Old December 7th, 2017, 03:08 PM #76
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Actually, Hawaii's legal monarchy should never have been overthrown by a cabal of US business interests.
If Hawaii's monarchy couldn't hold onto the kingdom against a couple of hundred guys then the don't deserve to keep it.

I lived there from 68 to 71 as a kid. The only thing keeping Hawaii afloat, to indict a certain member of the House of Representative, is the Japanese tourism.
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If Hawaii's monarchy couldn't hold onto the kingdom against a couple of hundred guys then the don't deserve to keep it.

I lived there from 68 to 71 as a kid. The only thing keeping Hawaii afloat, to indict a certain member of the House of Representative, is the Japanese tourism.
So if twenty MS-13 gang members broke into your home, killed you, raped your wife, and sold your kids into the sex trade, it would be OK because you couldn't defend your home and now your home belongs to them.

That's what I thought.

The US Cavalry shot little Indian kids in the back with .45-70 Government carbines. I guess they had it coming though. For not standing up to charging horses and soldiers with guns.

Stupid five year olds.
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I think the issues of convicted felons voting and convicted felons having 2nd Amendment rights are two separate issues, because they are based on two different goals. We disenfranchise convicted felons on the theory that if a person can't follow society's rules, he doesn't deserve to be able to help (indirectly) shape what those rules are or how they're enforced. We remove the 2nd Amendment rights of convicted felons on the theory that their being allowed to own guns creates a danger to society. It's not about punishing them "just because," because if that were the case, we could remove 1st Amendment rights too (which we can't).

Thus, it makes sense that we would only remove gun rights from convicts who are violent, while removing voting rights from other classes of criminals too.
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You need to read up on Hawaiian history and the overthrowing of the monarchy of Hawaii.
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I do wish felonies were separate between violent and non violent.
If you’re 19yrs old and sold drugs got caught and pleaded guilty..does that mean you should never vote or own a firearm for the rest of your existence?
I don’t agree with that ..people change, some for better and for worse, for those that fixed their lives ever since, have clean records and are non violent crimes in the first place should be given a second opportunity.
Be it 10yrs or whatever, but to tell a 60yr old man he can’t buy a hunting rifle because of something stupid he did at 19? I don’t know if I follow that logic
Rape or murder etc are totally different story..
I think North Carolina is looking at doing this currently?
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