Hypothetical: If the usurper issues an EO banning AR-15s, will you comply?

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  • TangoSierra27

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    FOREST HILL
    We will only keep the rights we are willing to fight for.I fully intend to keep every right in the Constitution, especially my 2nd Amendment rights.
     

    TinCuda

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    Apr 26, 2016
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    I would not comply. But that's not saying much, since I live in Tennessee now. Most of the sheriffs and other law enforcement in the state - most particularly our sheriff - are quite open about their feeling about the Second Amendment and would probably be quicker to defend my Second Amendment rights than I would. I think there would be a fight and I'm not kidding. And it's not just the Second Amendment. Tennessee seems to view all federal social engineering as more suggestion than law, and I don't have the words to describe how refreshing that is over my 30 years in the People's Democratic Republic of Maryland. God help you all. When the time comes, get out of Maryland. Western Maryland is probably OK, because the rest of the state sees you as unimportant and more West Virginia than Maryland. But if you're an employed American citizen living in MOCO, your government doesn't really work for you.
     

    Bohemian

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    This is also not how EOs work. The lack of civics education on this forum is really disturbing.

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    It's a good thing Trump did not create a gun control by executive fiat precedent that a future gun hating democrat or rino could use to ban all semiautomatic firearms without exception (long guns & hand guns) using the same exact criteria...
     

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    erwos

    The Hebrew Hammer
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    Mar 25, 2009
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    It's a good thing Trump did not create a gun control by executive fiat precedent that a future gun hating democrat or rino could use to ban all semiautomatic firearms without exception (long guns & hand guns) using the same exact criteria...
    He didn't use an executive order to do that. I am certainly not disputing that being able to direct the ATF to interpret things in a way that is unfriendly to us is not a problem. Indeed, I suspect Biden's ATF is gonna be looking for ways to crack down on 80% kits and braces within his first year of office.
     

    OMCHamlin

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    I have a couple of old hunting rifles and an olde.22 revolver, and a new over and under full of #9s (for cat burglars, man, C’mon!) with my trusty Ray O Vac Sportsman full of D cell Evereadys...

    So as a typical gun owner, I’m sure I’ll be fine when they come for you... err, I mean yours...
    (sound familiar?)
     

    Bohemian

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    Nov 7, 2009
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    He didn't use an executive order to do that. I am certainly not disputing that being able to direct the ATF to interpret things in a way that is unfriendly to us is not a problem. Indeed, I suspect Biden's ATF is gonna be looking for ways to crack down on 80% kits and braces within his first year of office.

    Anything without a serial number is on the list...
    Anything like Pistol Braces & PGO Pistol Grip Only Shotguns, that do an end run around the year wait & $200 tax stamp is on the list...
    Redefining what a firearm IS, is on the list...
    Banning All Semiautomatic Firearms is on the list...
    Requiring a Annually Renewed Firearm & Ammo Purchase License is on the list...

    IF Biden pulls off the crime of the century unfolding before our eyes, he won't have congress to create or modify gun control...

    The ONLY way he's doing shit is by Executive Order or Executive Fiat... AKA Executive Action...

    Biden-Harris both have promised Gun Control by Executive Action... and Bloomberg, Gifford and the Brady Bunch are pissing themselves in glee as they post their laundry list of Gun Control by Executive Action...

    Executive Fiat is Synonymous with Executive Order...
    As is Executive Action...

    Trump's Precedent Setting Gun Control By Executive Fiat...

    President Trump Moves To Ban 'Bump Stocks'
    https://youtu.be/0W1fPZCmNQA

    SO YOU DIDN’T WANT TO DIE ON “BUMP STOCK HILL”
    http://zelmanpartisans.com/?p=6207

    Using nothing more than the bump stock ban verbage, the same false logic can be applied to all semiautomatic firearms, hand guns & long guns without exception because they ALL can be bump fired without a bump stock using things you can't ban like sticks, rubber bands, beltloops and fingers...

    Our best chance of stopping this is supporting the likes of GunOwners.org and FirearmsPolicy.org

    IF The Bump Stock Ban is allowed to stand, the Second Amendment as we know it is toast without ever having been repealed or modified...

    That's how big a deal this is, notwithstanding every word of gun control is used as precedent for the next.

    Federal lawsuit challenging ATF/President Trump's ban on "bump stock" devices by executive fiat..
    BumpstockCase.com
     

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    erwos

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    Executive orders are a specific thing, with a very specific meaning. They are not synonymous with giving direction to an agency. By lumping things together that are not the same, we lose the nuance and understanding to know what we need to worry about fighting, and how to fight it. Worrying about things that are nonsensical (EOs banning all semi-autos) wastes time and energy that could be used at very real threats (such as the impending reclassification of many, many braces by the ATF).
     

    gremlin42

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    They do 430am raids in MD all the time, especially for political dissidents. The circumstances can be for something as retarded as a "tip" (or something somebody said). It's corrupt, face it. (((They))) control the political and by extension judicial system, just a fact of living here.

    Please do elaborate so I can be on the lookout for (((them))), I don’t want to be caught off guard.
     
    What does your William Wallace-esque ass propose? So quick to shit on what people post but offering nothing.....

    A) thanks for the compliment, as a card carrying member of Clans Grant and Gordon a comparison to Wallace is an honor

    B) I don't "shit" on others, just remind them why they are "allowed" to firearms in the first place. And yes, I am trying to incite them to take a real stand...like Sir Wallace..

    C) I do believe what I post.. it's not lip service..and although right now there in no "plan" if and when the shit hits the fan I do plan to be in the thick of it. But I also pray for a more peaceful solution if one can be found without compromising our rights...so far the left hasn't been willing to give... unfortunately I can't say the same for some republican politicians OR some so called 2A advocates..

    Did you buy the 20mm?
     
    So what if it's not an EO.. like it or not, the Senate is lost..while the republicans may be in the majority, there are 3 RINOs that could support gun control..Collins, Romney and Murkowski are pure fake Republicans and cannot be counted among our assets. Our only saving grace will be if McConnell refuses to allow a vote..and if we lose majority an AWB is assured..it's the cornerstone of forwarding their socialist agenda.
     

    OLM-Medic

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    I say bring on the AWB and make sure it includes ban of possession. No more slow boiling the frog.
     

    boothdoc

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    They will never allow it to go to court. They would loose and it would set a precedence. The courts are only effective if the case gets tried.
     

    randomuser

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    Nov 12, 2018
    5,774
    Baltimore County
    I say bring on the AWB and make sure it includes ban of possession. No more slow boiling the frog.

    I have thought and posted about this before. I'd like to see it applied to 10+ round magazines too.

    If everyone is not on the same page then there is no strength in numbers.


    as long as people can say:
    "well, I don't have a bump stock"
    "I don't have a ____________"
    and it does not affect them.

    They are the master of boiling the frog. And our side sees it, but continues to permit the infringement.
     

    1911msc

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    May 12, 2020
    18
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    Frogs in hot water

    Being scrupulously honest and not liking confrontation I would let Beto arse rape me with his chosen implementation if push came to shove.
    If he went after my wife or kids though, I'd probably go all like "Wolverine". This is why they progress by incremental steps. Excuse me, I'm stopping with this distastefull business and going to have a beer and medical thc smoke while watchin old Jeffrey Toobin tapes.
     

    [Kev308]

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    Jan 23, 2020
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    Being scrupulously honest and not liking confrontation I would let Beto arse rape me with his chosen implementation if push came to shove.
    If he went after my wife or kids though, I'd probably go all like "Wolverine". This is why they progress by incremental steps. Excuse me, I'm stopping with this distastefull business and going to have a beer and medical thc smoke while watchin old Jeffrey Toobin tapes.
    There is no laws if everyone breaks them together.
     

    noddaz

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    Jan 9, 2014
    529
    Arnold
    A) I don't speak hypothetical.

    2) Every semi auto pistol, shotgun and rifle would also have to be banned.

    Every one of them at the same time. All of them.

    Not going to happen just for the fact that the Government does not have enough staff to fight this. If the Government threw all the lawyers in jail first?
    No, not even then.

    Exhibit A: How many of you still have bump stocks? (Don't answer) And forced take backs by Government agents? Zero. So unless you do something stupid first and then give the Government one more thing to throw you in jail for when they find it. As in "the suspect was driving while intoxicated. Police found loaded weapons in the suspects vehicle and an illegal bump stock".

    Let's get something sensible done like reversing the ruling that says a stripped lower is a firearm. You can't store a bullet in it. You can't chamber a round with it. You can't pull a trigger that isn't there. WTF kind of ruling is that.

    Sorry for the grammar and thank goodness for spell check.
     

    [Kev308]

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    A) I don't speak hypothetical.

    2) Every semi auto pistol, shotgun and rifle would also have to be banned.

    Every one of them at the same time. All of them.

    Not going to happen just for the fact that the Government does not have enough staff to fight this. If the Government threw all the lawyers in jail first?
    No, not even then.

    Exhibit A: How many of you still have bump stocks? (Don't answer) And forced take backs by Government agents? Zero. So unless you do something stupid first and then give the Government one more thing to throw you in jail for when they find it. As in "the suspect was driving while intoxicated. Police found loaded weapons in the suspects vehicle and an illegal bump stock".

    Let's get something sensible done like reversing the ruling that says a stripped lower is a firearm. You can't store a bullet in it. You can't chamber a round with it. You can't pull a trigger that isn't there. WTF kind of ruling is that.

    Sorry for the grammar and thank goodness for spell check.

    Not that I'm turning anything in, but if I did. The lower would be the only thing I turn in. So let's keep that the way it is.
     

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