C&R perks and tips

SMPress · Apr 25, 2009

I requested mine on 04/24/09.

Question, I only own 1 firearm that would qualify as a C&R, it is an M-1 Winchester Sniper Rifle, still in its original configuration. I bought this at a gun show a few years back. Damn, it's been 4 years now, I really need to get out to the range, I have never fired it! Anyway, am I supposed to log this into my book once I get the license? I certainly don’t recall who the seller was, or what the date was. I thought I saw somewhere when surfing the net yesterday that you had to log existing C&R firearms, but I was on so many sites doing research, that I don’t recall where I might have seen this...

Thanks
Andy

coinboy · Apr 25, 2009

SMPress said:
I requested mine on 04/24/09.

Question, I only own 1 firearm that would qualify as a C&R, it is an M-1 Winchester Sniper Rifle, still in its original configuration. I bought this at a gun show a few years back. Damn, it's been 4 years now, I really need to get out to the range, I have never fired it! Anyway, am I supposed to log this into my book once I get the license? I certainly don’t recall who the seller was, or what the date was. I thought I saw somewhere when surfing the net yesterday that you had to log existing C&R firearms, but I was on so many sites doing research, that I don’t recall where I might have seen this...

Thanks
Andy

You only have to list your existing firearms after you sell them. The C&R License doen't require you to list guns you bought prior to the license if you never sell them. If you do sell it you log it out as a disposition in your book and I have heard that you state that the firearm was from you personal collection as an acquisition.

SMPress · Apr 25, 2009

Briliant, thanks! This one will only be sold by my heirs, so I have no worries ;-)

Andy

OnTarget · Apr 29, 2009

coinboy said:
You only have to list your existing firearms after you sell them. The C&R License doen't require you to list guns you bought prior to the license if you never sell them. If you do sell it you log it out as a disposition in your book and I have heard that you state that the firearm was from you personal collection as an acquisition.

Does this include modern weapons that are already possessed or only those 50 yrs. old?

Half-cocked · Apr 29, 2009

OnTarget said:
Does this include modern weapons that are already possessed or only those 50 yrs. old?

Only Curios & Relics. It should be noted that SOME modern firearms can be given special C&R status by the BATF, on a case-by-case basis (small commemorative runs, or individual guns that are unique and valuable as collector's pieces)... but that's pretty rare.

davidlj · Apr 29, 2009

I would love to have one of the ol Rem shotguns I had to carry on guard duty in the Marine Corps while stationed at Santa Ana and then El Toro

OnTarget · May 11, 2009

sundazes said:
I got this from Brownels. it is the official bound book. It is like 3 or 4 bucks.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1694&title=FIREARMS RECORD BOOKS

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Anybody else using this particular Bound Book? How do you like it? Any other ideas? Thanks!

novus collectus · May 11, 2009

OnTarget said:
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Anybody else using this particular Bound Book? How do you like it? Any other ideas? Thanks!

Dunno, but be careful, the format for dealer FFLs and collector FFLs seems different and if that book is set up for dealer FFLs, then it might be the wrong way.

This is what the ATF regulations state it should be for collectors (bottom of page 67): http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/27cfr_part478.pdf

OnTarget · May 11, 2009

novus collectus said:
Dunno, but be careful, the format for dealer FFLs and collector FFLs seems different and if that book is set up for dealer FFLs, then it might be the wrong way.

This is what the ATF regulations state it should be for collectors (bottom of page 67): http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/27cfr_part478.pdf

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Thank you for info., Novus. I looking for a place that sells the exact log book needed for C&R collector. What do you do? Draft up your own log based on page 67?

novus collectus · May 11, 2009

OnTarget said:
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Thank you for info., Novus. I looking for a place that sells the exact log book needed for C&R collector. What do you do? Draft up your own log based on page 67?

Draft up your own with a ruler.

YOu can also get a variance approval from the ATF to keep it electronically and I think some posters here did that, but I am not familiar with the process.
Also the phrase "bound book" does not have to be taken literally (anymore). It can be loose leaf paper as long as the pages are numbered and sequential from what I understand. Some people who have been audited or contacted the ATF can give more info on this.

OnTarget · May 12, 2009

sundazes said:
I got this from Brownels. it is the official bound book. It is like 3 or 4 bucks.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1694&title=FIREARMS RECORD BOOKS

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sundazes: Could you tell us how this Brownels Bound Book that you referenced is working out for you? Have you had to add/subtract anything in the book as to columns, etc.?
Thanks.

Christoff · May 14, 2009

I live in Anne Arundel co. does anyone know who the CLEO is for the Eastern District? I called and they had no clue what a CLEO was. I don't have my appication yet, but I was just trying to get all the information ready to go when I do receive it.

novus collectus · May 14, 2009

Christoff said:
I live in Anne Arundel co. does anyone know who the CLEO is for the Eastern District? I called and they had no clue what a CLEO was. I don't have my appication yet, but I was just trying to get all the information ready to go when I do receive it.

If your town or city does not have a police department, then just go with the AA county sherrif or AA county police chief IMO.

Oldcarjunkie · May 14, 2009

I used this.

Anne Arundel County
Police Department

Chief of Police
James Teare, Sr

8495 Veterans Hwy
Millersville, Maryland 21108
(410)222-8050

County: Anne Arundel

Christoff · May 15, 2009

Thanks

Oldcarjunkie · May 15, 2009

No problem Christoff.
I sent mine away on 1/31/ and it just came 2 days ago, be ready for a wait.

erwos · May 26, 2009

Mailed off my C&R forms today... by current standards, I should be seeing my C&R by like September-October, assuming it gets approved.

Has anyone ever contacted their Congress critter about getting it sped up? I'm kinda thinking it might be worth a go - efficiency in government, that kinda thing.

armed ferret · Jun 10, 2009

I actually had to, because at month five (initial application) i was getting a different story every time i called to find out a status update.

So I called my Rep, Tom Latham, and spoke to an intern of some sort. Told her the deal, and that technically i wasn't in iowa at the time due to military duty, and would really appreciate if he or an assistant had time to look into it.

20 minutes later, my first sergeant is in the office and the phone rings. my boss picks it up (shirt was talking to me) and says "um, shirt? he'd better take this. it's his congressman."

Rep Latham actually personally called me back to find out exactly what i was being told, and what I was trying to accomplish.

about 2 hours later, the ATF called, apologized for the "misunderstanding", and let me know my license was on its way.

once in a while, there's a good one that works on the Hill.

Koszmar · Jul 2, 2009

I just requested my application today. How long till you guys think I will see it?

Llyrin · Jul 4, 2009

Mine took just under two months. I sent it in 9 MAY and received it yesterday (3 JUL).

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