Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

https://apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af

Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

Not_an_outlaw · Dec 18, 2018

Does anyone know how they were defined? What about bumping with no tool? Turn in and destroy fingers?

HailVon · Dec 18, 2018

Trump's just playing 64d chess guys(sarcasm)

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

HailVon said:
Trump's just playing 64d chess guys(sarcasm)

No, he is picking his battles - this is a good move by Trump. Bump stocks are just a way to get around an existing law. If people want full auto that is the law they need to change.

Besides with practice, you don't need the device to shoot like you have it.

East2West · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
No, he is picking his battles - this is a good move by Trump. Bump stocks are just a way to get around an existing law. If people want full auto that is the law they need to change.

Besides with practice, you don't need the device to shoot like you have it.

This is why gun rights are in danger. People justify each little infringement, then poof you wonder when all the guns you have became banned.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
This is why gun rights are in danger. People justify each little infringement, then poof you wonder when all the guns you have became banned.

i have to disagree in this case. The freedom was taken when we allowed the full auto ban in the first place. THAT is now the law. This device defies the spirit of the law that we allowed to be passed.

East2West · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
i have to disagree in this case. The freedom was taken when we allowed the full auto ban in the first place. THAT is now the law. This device defies the spirit of the law that we allowed to be passed.

Defies the spirit of the law.

Well yes it does, after they change the definitions in their "law".

Odd how there's an ATF memo from a few years ago saying these devices don't in fact need to come under the NFA.

ironpony · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
No, he is picking his battles - this is a good move by Trump. Bump stocks are just a way to get around an existing law. If people want full auto that is the law they need to change.

Besides with practice, you don't need the device to shoot like you have it.

What else should be banned?

Bertfish · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
No, he is picking his battles - this is a good move by Trump. Bump stocks are just a way to get around an existing law. If people want full auto that is the law they need to change.

Besides with practice, you don't need the device to shoot like you have it.

He made this battle and then screwed us.

There was no battle. These are legal. Dont like it then pass a law. Instead ATF again invents law

cap6888 · Dec 18, 2018

Yeah, MAGA, Winning, 3.14 D chess. Trump screwed us on this big time. This is making all the democrats salivate. They are going to try to ban everything they can after this.

There is a black and white definition of machine gun. A bumpstock does not meet that definition, but they are going to ban it anyway due to "feelings". NRA didn't help here either. The grew week over the Vegas shooting. Now we are all going to pay the price.

Schipperke · Dec 18, 2018

Already seeing on various boards, "I'm off the Trump Train".. wow shades of Hogan, enemy of the people. I wonder if another Republican could primary him in 2020. Now he's backing off his "shut down the Government" bluff.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

ironpony said:
What else should be banned?

I am not aware of anything else whose sole purpose is to do an end run around an existing, well established law. THAT is where the focus should be, on the established law.

clandestine · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
i have to disagree in this case. The freedom was taken when we allowed the full auto ban in the first place. THAT is now the law. This device defies the spirit of the law that we allowed to be passed.

No, this ruling RE-DEFINES an long established definition of what constitutes a machinegun. The original definition IS clear and concise.

Trump, the NRA, and BATFE are laying the foundation that WILL allow future justification of redefining a "machinegun". Next step is they will use terms like acceptable "rates of fire", and ban light or short reset triggers. Next they will ban the ability to use detachable magazines and limit magazine capacity as justification to ban detachable magazine fed semi automatic firearms. All these things allow "high rates of fire" and can be called a "machinegun" according to this new and vague interpretation.

Places like DC already do this with high cap mags and define them as a machinegun.

People with your attitude are either antigun, idiot, or both.

SCV/SAR Patriot · Dec 18, 2018

Sounds like just another egotistical a-hole politician. It's high time people stopped being cheerleaders for and making excuses for these people.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

clandestine said:
No, this ruling RE-DEFINES an long established definition of what constitutes a machinegun. The original definition IS clear and concise.

Trump, the NRA, and BATFE are laying the foundation that WILL allow future justification of redefining a "machinegun". Next step is they will use terms like acceptable "rates of fire", and ban light or short reset triggers. Next they will ban the ability to use detachable magazines and limit magazine capacity as justification to ban detachable magazine fed semi automatic firearms. All these things allow "high rates of fire" and can be called a "machingun" according to this new and vague interpretation.

Places like DC already do this with high cap mags and define them as a machinegun.

People with your attitude are either antigun, idiot, or both.

"Federal Definition of a Machine Gun. For purposes of federal law, a machine gun is defined as: [A]ny weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger"

Eh... not really but sort of. Really with a bump stock your input of the trigger is a single function, the bump stock initiates every follow on shot. I can see both sides of this one.

It is not like this is some avalanche trigger to the them go hog wild banning crap - that happened decades ago.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

SCV/SAR Patriot said:
Sounds like just another egotistical a-hole politician. It's high time people stopped being cheerleaders for and making excuses for these people.

Says the single issue grandstander?

SCV/SAR Patriot · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
Says the single issue grandstander?

Hardly a single issue grand stander. Why on earth would you make that statement?

clandestine · Dec 18, 2018

Bigfoot21075 said:
"Federal Definition of a Machine Gun. For purposes of federal law, a machine gun is defined as: [A]ny weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger"

Eh... not really but sort of. Really with a bump stock your input of the trigger is a single function, the bump stock initiates every follow on shot. I can see both sides of this one.

It is not like this is some avalanche trigger to the them go hog wild banning crap - that happened decades ago.

You are short-sighted or dishonest. Neither are friends to freedom and the preservation of the 2A.

Bigfoot21075 · Dec 18, 2018

SCV/SAR Patriot said:
Hardly a single issue grand stander. Why on earth would you make that statement?

Just a casual observation friend. Trump has done TREMENDOUS good for our country and is worthy of a strong defense. IMHO this is an excellent political move in what appears to be coordination with the NRA. This shows he is not beholden to any gun lobby and is will to do what the left likes to call "sensible". This will help with other FAR more important 2a issue that are surely coming.

clandestine · Dec 18, 2018

I'm glad people are speaking their mind. Let's me know who void associating with.

That includes the NRA. Trump can kiss my ass too.

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