Custom AR barrel" X-Caliber? Other suggestions?

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

I am looking to have a couple of custom AR barrels made for me for .300 BLK and .458 SOCOM SBR builds. I came across X-Caliber this morning and am seriously debating getting the barrels from it. Anybody have any experience with X-Caliber barrels?

Anybody have any other suggestions for a custom AR barrel? Looking at 12" for the 458 SOCOM and 10.5" for the 300 BLK, and I want both of them to be HBAR or Heavy (yeah, I know the debate about HBAR/SBR and I am erring on the side of caution).

dreadpirate · Dec 27, 2017

Noveske barrels are well made and come with a gas block and gas tube. The gas block is already mounted.

https://www.noveske.com/collections/barrels/products/300-aac-blackout-barrel

sleev-les · Dec 27, 2017

dreadpirate said:
Noveske barrels are well made and come with a gas block and gas tube. The gas block is already mounted.

https://www.noveske.com/collections/barrels/products/300-aac-blackout-barrel

Negative Ghost Rider.

"Barrel installation should be performed by a qualified gunsmith. Installation of the gas block taper pins and gas block is required to complete the assembly process. "

Either way, a nice little setup, but even if it was installed, you'd have to remove it to get the barrel nut on.

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

sleev-les said:
Negative Ghost Rider.

"Barrel installation should be performed by a qualified gunsmith. Installation of the gas block taper pins and gas block is required to complete the assembly process. "

Either way, a nice little setup, but even if it was installed, you'd have to remove it to get the barrel nut on.

Yeah, my JP Rifle barrel assembly came with the cooling fins, gas block, and gas tube "installed". It all had to come off before I could put the barrel onto the upper receiver, and then I had to re-install everything afterward. That definitely isn't a worry for me.

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

dreadpirate said:
Noveske barrels are well made and come with a gas block and gas tube. The gas block is already mounted.

https://www.noveske.com/collections/barrels/products/300-aac-blackout-barrel

Problem with Noveske is that they are medium contour. Really wanted to go with Wilson Combat, but those are a special contour, and not HBAR or Heavy. I have found a couple of HBAR SBR barrels that would fit the bill, but I have to dig out that pile of printouts to see what they were. I know I wasn't too overjoyed with the manufacturers. Guess I should start another thread with those manufacturers and see if they are worthwhile. Going to have to dig through some paper.

inkd · Dec 27, 2017

fabsroman said:
Problem with Noveske is that they are medium contour. Really wanted to go with Wilson Combat, but those are a special contour, and not HBAR or Heavy. I have found a couple of HBAR SBR barrels that would fit the bill, but I have to dig out that pile of printouts to see what they were. I know I wasn't too overjoyed with the manufacturers. Guess I should start another thread with those manufacturers and see if they are worthwhile. Going to have to dig through some paper.

Contour does not matter.

If it's not marked HBAR or annotated on the manufacturers site as HBAR, by Maryland logic, it's not an HBAR.

You could have a barrel the size of a truck axle and if one of the two above criteria is not met, it's not considered an HBAR.

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

inkd said:
Contour does not matter.

If it's not marked HBAR or annotated on the manufacturers site as HBAR, by Maryland [State Police] logic, it's not an HBAR.

You could have a barrel the size of a truck axle and if one of the two above criteria is not met, it's not considered an HBAR.

I fixed your post for you, and I already know all of this.

So, show me a SBR barrel with an actual M4 profile that is marked/advertised as HBAR or Heavy and I will buy it. The site I linked allows me to build any barrel I want with a HBAR or Heavy designation. Granted, the barrel will in fact be HBAR or Heavy if I pick that option, and the order form will specify that designation on it.

inkd · Dec 27, 2017

fabsroman said:
I fixed your post for you, and I already know all of this.

So, show me a SBR barrel with an actual M4 profile that is marked/advertised as HBAR or Heavy and I will buy it. The site I linked allows me to build any barrel I want with a HBAR or Heavy designation. Granted, the barrel will in fact be HBAR or Heavy if I pick that option, and the order form will specify that designation on it.

I don't have a running list of everyone on this site who comprehends the stupidity of Maryland laws.

Since you didn't mention having the barrels marked in your original post, and there was no link, I was just trying to be helpful. I'll make a mental note for the future.

dreadpirate · Dec 27, 2017

sleev-les said:
Negative Ghost Rider.

"Barrel installation should be performed by a qualified gunsmith. Installation of the gas block taper pins and gas block is required to complete the assembly process. "

Either way, a nice little setup, but even if it was installed, you'd have to remove it to get the barrel nut on.

Oh crap - you're right! Well just take Chad's class. He has a scope to make sure you get perfect alignment.

Still - it's nice that the thing comes with a gas block and tube.

dreadpirate · Dec 27, 2017

Ahh - an HBAR for a post pan. Ok - how about White Oak?

https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/300-blackout-barrels-available-in-7-5-and-10-5-lengths.html

[EDIT] Hmm - not advertised as HBAR, but looks to be heavy contour.

[EDIT 2] wait! 300 black does not require HBAR!!!

dreadpirate · Dec 27, 2017

sleev-les said:
Negative Ghost Rider.

Who the heck is Ghost Rider?

dreadpirate · Dec 27, 2017

And one last recommendation; Odin Works. I have one of these in 6.5 Grendel and it is a tack driver.

https://www.odinworks.com/300_Blackout_10_5_Barrel_p/b-300-10-p-tg.htm

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

inkd said:
I don't have a running list of everyone on this site who comprehends the stupidity of Maryland laws.

Since you didn't mention having the barrels marked in your original post, and there was no link, I was just trying to be helpful. I'll make a mental note for the future.

I hear you and I appreciate the thought behind your post. I've already had the debate with others as to whether an SBR barrel needs to be HBAR or not. There is disagreement there. I've done the research on what is considered "HBAR", and the MSP advisory is about as good as it gets in this regard. Stamped or advertised as such. Thing is, I cannot find my reference that states this. Thought I had seen it in a MSP Advisory, but I don't have anything in my saved files that supports my memory. So, now I am sitting here wondering where the heck I saw the MSP position on what constitutes HBAR.

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

dreadpirate said:
Who the heck is Ghost Rider?

He is a Maverick.

fabsroman · Dec 27, 2017

dreadpirate said:
Ahh - an HBAR for a post pan. Ok - how about White Oak?

https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/300-blackout-barrels-available-in-7-5-and-10-5-lengths.html

[EDIT] Hmm - not advertised as HBAR, but looks to be heavy contour.

[EDIT 2] wait! 300 black does not require HBAR!!!

We can save that debate for another thread. MSP says completely interchangeable parts, AG says "in order for a firearm to be considered a copy of a listed assault weapon, and therefore governed by the regulated firearms law, there must be a similarity between the internal components and function of the firearm in question and those of the listed weapons."

At this very moment, I am going insane trying to find my HBAR reference from MSP that states a barrel is HBAR if it is stamped as such or advertised as such.

inkd · Dec 27, 2017

fabsroman said:
I hear you and I appreciate the thought behind your post. I've already had the debate with others as to whether an SBR barrel needs to be HBAR or not. There is disagreement there. I've done the research on what is considered "HBAR", and the MSP advisory is about as good as it gets in this regard. Stamped or advertised as such. Thing is, I cannot find my reference that states this. Thought I had seen it in a MSP Advisory, but I don't have anything in my saved files that supports my memory. So, now I am sitting here wondering where the heck I saw the MSP position on what constitutes HBAR.

Somewhere in an HBAR thread, I posted an email chain between MSP and myself.
If you can't find it, I'll post it here later, when I am home.

John from MD · Dec 27, 2017

FrankOceanXray · Dec 27, 2017

Law says who must deem it HBAR? Engrave barrel to say such... ?

BradMacc82 · Dec 27, 2017

Black Hole Weaponry (now Columbia River Arms). https://columbiariverarms.com/custom-barrel-configurator/configure/20563/

Configure your own barrel, whatever profile, gas system, fluting, coating, length.

Give the barrel 60 to 100 rounds to break-in, and enjoy shooting lights out after. Easy peasy.

Trumpet · Dec 28, 2017

dreadpirate said:
And one last recommendation; Odin Works. I have one of these in 6.5 Grendel and it is a tack driver.

https://www.odinworks.com/300_Blackout_10_5_Barrel_p/b-300-10-p-tg.htm

Odin makes a very nice barrel. Another nice thing is their barrels and gas blocks have index marks so they line up perfectly

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