Encounter at the AGC Pistol Range

rseymorejr · Nov 19, 2020

I used to shoot at the AGC and have shot at that pistol range probably 100 times.
There was 4 scenarios that I ran into: 1) I was by myself and made my guns safe and went downrange whenever I wanted to. 2) There was a small group of shooters and we would make the range cold whenever someone new came along or someone wanted to go downrange ( never once had a problem with this, everyone always cooperated). 3) Someone would take charge and call cease fires periodically( similar to scenerio #2 but a little more formal. or 4)When there was an actual RSO in charge of the range and called cease fires.
Sounds like this scenerio was a combination of #2 and #3. Everyone SHOULD have cooperated and all would have been well.

GBender326 said:
...He had his wife with the XD, was standing past the firing line with her, coaching her, and they just kept doing their thing...

To me, the above in red is the most concerning bit of info in this entire thread

GBender326 said:
I think I'll add the Barnes House number to my contacts list, too, so I can call them if there's a problem.

The phone number is on the range badge

eruby · Nov 19, 2020

[StantonCree] This thread is dildos [/StantonCree]

willtill · Nov 19, 2020

I recorded the RSO's number in my Iphone. Appreciate the poster previously who provided it.

I shot at that AGC pistol range before (still do) and it would be a pain in the ass to walk all of the way to the Barnes Range to grab the RSO.

For the record, I have never heard or seen the Barnes Range devoid of ALL firing positions. That had to be a tremendous day at that range...

Frostadams · Nov 19, 2020

Not that it’s not a violation and all
But I generally try and engage people
At line to
Coordinate a ceasefire when it’s not a safety issue and more of a convenience issue. If someone is in the middle of a magazine And it’s not a range where ceasefires are scheduled I opt to be social

Sam Salvati · Nov 19, 2020

Just one to the kneecap oughta do it next time

Amigo109 · Nov 19, 2020

Danb is a good example of how rather than admit they are wrong, some people will dig in and argue a clearly ridiculous assertion, even going so far as to make up facts to support their position. Danb states the range was self regulating and no one other than RSO has the authority to call cease fire at AGC and all his subsequent arguments stem from this false assertion. Read the AGC rules Dan about who can call cease fire and what must be done after cease fire is called. It's straight forward and not complicated.

GolfR · Nov 19, 2020

willtill said:
For the record, I have never heard or seen the Barnes Range devoid of ALL firing positions. That had to be a tremendous day at that range...

I’m seeing the Barnes range really fill up on the weekends as they only have half of the firing positions due to COVID spacing. Also, if one of the bigger clubs has a shoot, they can take up a lot of the firing positions down by the sheds.

In my experience, the best thing to do when the pistol range gets really crowded is to ask the RSO to get the microphone out and give it to an experienced shooter to call out commands for the pistol range. This way there is no question when a cease fire is called and when the range goes hot again. By default this puts someone in charge. No different than the person with the timer is in charge of the range in a completion even if they aren’t an event RSO.

My biggest gripe on the pistol range is when we have a number of shooters and a new guy comes strolling in and unilaterally calls for a cease fire upon arrival so that they can put their targets out. Proper etiquette if there is not an RSO there is to ASK the other shooters if they are ready for a cease fire. Others were there first and a new shooter to the line is no more entitled to immediately put their target out then they are on the rifle range. 99% of the time everyone on the line will agree to a ceasefire so others can post or pull but I have asked for an extra minute or two before to finish off a mag and completely finish my shooting before the ceasefire so I can use the ceasefire to take my targets down.

willtill · Nov 19, 2020

GolfR said:
I’m seeing the Barnes range really fill up on the weekends as they only have half of the firing positions due to COVID spacing. Also, if one of the bigger clubs has a shoot, they can take up a lot of the firing positions down by the sheds.

In my experience, the best thing to do when the pistol range gets really crowded is to ask the RSO to get the microphone out and give it to an experienced shooter to call out commands for the pistol range. This way there is no question when a cease fire is called and when the range goes hot again. By default this puts someone in charge. No different than the person with the timer is in charge of the range in a completion even if they aren’t an event RSO.

My biggest grip on the pistol range is when we have a number of shooters and a new guy comes strolling in and unilaterally calls for a cease fire upon arrival so that they can put their targets out. Proper etiquette if there is not an RSO there is to ASK the other shooters if they are ready for a cease fire. Others were there first and a new shooter to the line is no more entitled to immediately put their target out then they are on the rifle range. 99% of the time everyone on the line will agree to a ceasefire so others can post or pull but I have asked for an extra minute or two before to finish off a mag and completely finish my shooting before the ceasefire so I can use the ceasefire to take my targets down.

This is proper and this is how it should be done.

rbird7282 · Nov 19, 2020

GBender326 said:
Okay, so in the future, I'll ask for "Range Cold", and keep "Cease Fire" for when everyone's confirmed they're okay with going cold, or for emergencies. Like I said, I wasn't trying to take charge; I felt I was just passing down the order from the RSO at the rifle range, which is what the one group of folks were already doing when we got there. Thanks for the advice, guys. I think I'll add the Barnes House number to my contacts list, too, so I can call them if there's a problem.

Yeah, I thought I recognized the name. So, thanks to ones like him, now we can't post to other members of the AGC directly, in its own forum? Nice. Of course, I'm sure DanB considers it a badge of honor.

You did nothing wrong. I’ve been on the pistol range many times and had people agree to a cold range and called cease fire, nobody ever had an issue with it. The only thing I would say is he should’ve been reported, that ******* should have his range badge revoked.

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rbird7282 · Nov 19, 2020

Amigo109 said:
Danb is a good example of how rather than admit they are wrong, some people will dig in and argue a clearly ridiculous assertion, even going so far as to make up facts to support their position. Danb states the range was self regulating and no one other than RSO has the authority to call cease fire at AGC and all his subsequent arguments stem from this false assertion. Read the AGC rules Dan about who can call cease fire and what must be done after cease fire is called. It's straight forward and not complicated.

Don’t waste your time,
Dan hates AGC and he’s not even member there.

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Skipjacks · Nov 19, 2020

rbird7282 said:
Dan hates AGC and he’s not even member there.

I am guessing those 2 things are related

teratos · Nov 20, 2020

rbird7282 said:
Don’t waste your time,
Dan hates AGC and he’s not even member there.

So he lost his range badge due to narcissistic behavior?

OMCHamlin · Nov 20, 2020

Missing a "Cease Fire" call accidentally is grounds for a (first time) friendly warning to pay attention. WILLFULLY violating a Cease Fire is grounds to be escorted off of the range and barred from returning. If it takes an RSO to do that (as I suppose it should), and any or all of you did not immediately go find the nearest one, you collectively failed as a group of shooters that day.
(man, "failed" is so harsh, are you sure that's warranted? ) Yeah, I am, because next time, that "Cease Fire" may not be routine, it may be for an ADD toddler (which I believe the term "toddler" in 2020 America spans roughly 2 to 22 years of age) wandering out into the target area, and now you as a group have abdicated responsibility to help ensure a safe range environment, while at the same time, showing the bottom 10% of shooters that were present during that spectacle that so long as they don't feel like listening to range commands, they don't have to, as there will be no consequences associated...

(and no, I didn't read the whole thread before replying, I'm replying to the original poster's original question.)

5cary · Nov 20, 2020

I'm appalled that there's 10 pages of discussion here as to whether ignoring a cease fire is wrong.

Overwatch326 · Nov 20, 2020

5cary said:
I'm appalled that there's 10 pages of discussion here as to whether ignoring a cease fire is wrong.

If you read through, though, everyone seems to agree--with one shitposting exception. Mostly the critique seems to be, "Dude was an *******, you should have reported him, and he should lose his badge and get kicked out," and "Maybe ask for 'Cold Range' first, before calling 'Cease Fire'." I should've reported the guy, though, so that's on me.

slsc98 · Nov 20, 2020

GBender326 said:
If you read through, though, everyone seems to agree--with one shitposting exception. Mostly the critique seems to be, "Dude was an *******, you should have reported him, and he should lose his badge and get kicked out," and "Maybe ask for 'Cold Range' first, before calling 'Cease Fire'." I should've reported the guy, though, so that's on me.

OP, before you’re too hard on yourself, your post reminded me I’ve not updated my phone with our home club’s new club year (different than calendar year) contacts for the positions to be notified in any similar instance.

Acccccccctually, your OP served as the catalyst for me to review the Range Rules and SOP’s for all the clubs we are members of or, frequent. Specifically the sections on “Unsafe / Uncooperative Shooters - procedures for RSO’s.”

So, thank you for starting the thread (few of us have any responsibility for the shit shows that sometimes ensue :lol2:

Mondial · Nov 20, 2020

"Cease Fire," Does someone need a dictionary?

MEGARMS · Nov 20, 2020

danb said:
You said it yourself: Requesting the range to go cold is not the same as a cease fire call. The couple at the end knew it was just a request.

OP: Thank you for articulating your concern in such detail. While there are always at least two sides to every story, there is absolutely no debating that at the AGC, everyone/anyone has the right to call a cease fire and to do it for any reason and that everyone is expected to abide by it. If there is a disagreement over the timing or frequency of cease fires solely to reset targets, then the badge holders should attempt to resolve it amongst themselves in an adult like manner.

At no time is it acceptable for anyone's demeanor to become abrasive, condescending, argumentative, or otherwise obtuse. If this ever happens, then it is the responsibility of the on duty RSO to intervene. In short, assholes have no place at the AGC and they need to be identified/removed. It doesn't even matter if they turn out to be on the right side of the argument.

Danb. I'm not sure what your issue is or why you feel the need to opine on all things AGC. As I understand it, you don't belong to an associated club, nor do you buy a range badge. Your opinions/comments about the AGC always seem to go against the grain, and never have an ounce of merit. You obviously have some sort of an axe to grind and/or are suffering from a mental disturbance in your own head. Either way, your behavior is pitiful and I pray that you are able to find peace one day; you clearly don't have it now. Until then, do yourself and everyone at the AGC a favor by not coming around. We don't need your kind to buy a range badge, participate in public trap, and especially not to be playing with real guns on the action shooting bays.

trickg · Nov 20, 2020

5cary said:
I'm appalled that there's 10 pages of discussion here as to whether ignoring a cease fire is wrong.

That was my thought as well about 3 pages ago. I couldn't believe there was even a discussion about it because I've always thought it was chiseled in stone.

outrider58 · Nov 20, 2020

5cary said:
I'm appalled that there's 10 pages of discussion here as to whether ignoring a cease fire is wrong.

Funny, I only have five pages.

We know what the only correct answer is...

It is a simple two word sentence or phrase.
It is always meant as a command. It is unambiguous.

It means...
STOP SHOOTING!!!

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