9mm AR lower

Arcamm · Jul 1, 2016

Is a 9mm AR stripped lower c&c or is paper work and wait?

StantonCree · Jul 2, 2016

Arcamm · Jul 2, 2016

Thanks. Now I just need to find one.

ajviera · Jul 2, 2016

Not sure about 9mm but I just bought a AR 308 stripped lower and I had to pay and wait.

StantonCree · Jul 2, 2016

Arcamm said:
Thanks. Now I just need to find one.

I see you location but engage has Glock lowers in stock and Greg at A1Uniform ordered more YHM Colt patter lowers which is what I got

Arcamm · Jul 2, 2016

I know the way to Engage. Sounds like time for phone calls. My first choice is Glock type. I already have those mags.

outrider58 · Jul 2, 2016

Arcamm said:
I know the way to Engage. Sounds like time for phone calls. My first choice is Glock type. I already have those mags.

Just an FYI, Engage is normally closed Sundays and Mondays.

elwojo · Jul 2, 2016

My understanding is that anything that can be turned into a pistol-type firearm should be treated with the same wait and paperwork as a pistol. So .223 and 9mm lowers should be 7 day waits because .223 and 9mm pistols are a thing (and as always: it's entirely up to your FFL for this matter). 308 pistols though...I mean. I think I just wet myself. :-D

mopar92 · Jul 2, 2016

elwojo said:
My understanding is that anything that can be turned into a pistol-type firearm should be treated with the same wait and paperwork as a pistol. So .223 and 9mm lowers should be 7 day waits because .223 and 9mm pistols are a thing (and as always: it's entirely up to your FFL for this matter). 308 pistols though...I mean. I think I just wet myself. :-D

Negative, 9mm and .308 dedicated lowers are cash and carry.
5.56 lowers SHOULD be cash and carry also but MSP has asked FFLs to treat them as regulated.

elwojo · Jul 2, 2016

mopar92 said:
Negative, 9mm and .308 dedicated lowers are cash and carry.
5.56 lowers SHOULD be cash and carry also but MSP has asked FFLs to treat them as regulated.

I agree. If I can buy a whole rifle and walk out the door with it, pop off the upper and put on a pistol upper*...wait, do I have to wait 7 days before I do that? Nope. So why do I wait for a lower?

Where is the official MSP doctrine on lower sales? I haven't ever seen what the MSP issued in order to come up with this rule, although I bet it was a shifty document issued in 2013 during the SB281 craze.

* Changing a rifle to a pistol is explicitly BATFE illegal unless the lower was in a pistol configuration before it was a rifle. So the above example is federally illegal but feasible in practice.

mopar92 · Jul 2, 2016

elwojo said:
I agree. If I can buy a whole rifle and walk out the door with it, pop off the upper and put on a pistol upper*...wait, do I have to wait 7 days before I do that? Nope. So why do I wait for a lower?

Where is the official MSP doctrine on lower sales? I haven't ever seen what the MSP issued in order to come up with this rule, although I bet it was a shifty document issued in 2013 during the SB281 craze.

* Changing a rifle to a pistol is explicitly BATFE illegal unless the lower was in a pistol configuration before it was a rifle. So the above example is federally illegal but feasible in practice.

IIRC this was disseminated orally by MSP at some training events post FSA 2013 in regards to compliance with the new laws.

There may have been a dealer bulletin circulated also but I'm not sure.

jmike1487 · Jul 2, 2016

ajviera said:
Not sure about 9mm but I just bought a AR 308 stripped lower and I had to pay and wait.

Why?? What shop did you get it from???

Arcamm · Jul 4, 2016

Some shops are going to cover their butts and require the paper work/wait.

j_h_smith · Jul 4, 2016

I've bought 2 CMMG 9mm dedicated lowers from 2 dealers and bother were C&C.

Wayne1one · Jul 4, 2016

ajviera said:
Not sure about 9mm but I just bought a AR 308 stripped lower and I had to pay and wait.

No wait for .308, your dealer is "being cautious" (unnecessarily IMHO)

Mdeng · Jul 4, 2016

Arcamm said:
I know the way to Engage. Sounds like time for phone calls. My first choice is Glock type. I already have those mags.

Keep in mind that if you go the Glock route you will need to have a bolt that is compatible or mill a standard 9mm bolt.

Jimbob2.0 · Jul 4, 2016

I have been critical of ATI products in the past but this one may be hard to walk away from. I saw them somewhere slightly cheaper onsale.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/co...-mil-sport-carbine-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

DutchV · Jul 4, 2016

elwojo said:
308 pistols though...I mean. I think I just wet myself. :-D

A short-barrel .308 makes super big fireballs - like a legal flashbang - but lots of velocity is lost as well. 300 Blackout is the winner if you want good ballistics in a short barrel.

Russ D · Jul 4, 2016

Are 9mm lowers C&C from Engage?

outrider58 · Jul 4, 2016

Russ D said:
Are 9mm lowers C&C from Engage?

Yup

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