DE pretty much shall-issue as well, if you jump through the hoops.
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DE pretty much shall-issue as well, if you jump through the hoops.
2112rws
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- Jan 18, 2013
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Sorry, I was referring to MD W&C
Illinois followed by DC. Whoda thunk!
The courts aren't always wrong.
that is not true a all in this context. None exist in any way analogous to "may issue" or most gun control.
If you libel or defame someone, the analogy on the second amendment would NOT be gun control, but rather laws on shooting someone. As far as I can see no one in the Second Amendment adovacy side is arguing the Second Amendment protects you from assault or homicide charges after illegally shooting someone.
libel and defamation laws cited by gun control advocates are in fact very different. there are NO pre-emptive limits on speech and none against the population at large. It is only a) after a harm occurs, and b) after that harm is proven in court with full due process, that c) the individual who caused the harm, and only that individual, is sanctioned.
To say there are limits on free speech analogous to gun control would be like saying because it is possible that a person in Oregon may have committed defamation, that all other US persons can then have their ability to speek limited. The same lack of logic is claimed with the idea freedom of religion is limited in the same way. it is not.
Let's not fall for specious arguments. 99% of gun control is about limiting explicit rights of people who have committed no harm, but simply saying the potential to cause harm needs to be limited. If that theory were applied to speech we would all be sending our forum posts to the government censor before they were posted.
We should never fall for this "well all bill of rights have limits" argument. The examples given are NOT exampled analogous to what the gun grabbers are suggesting.
- Aug 29, 2016
- 763
Right. A better analogy to the 1st Amendment's time, place and speech restrictions (for example, you can't protest in a residential neighborhood at 3 a.m.) would be restrictions on carrying guns in courthouses or on airplanes.
Certainly not "may issue."
In case anyone is interested, below is Judge Leon's permanent injunction and corresponding memo opinion in Grace, entered on Oct 17th. I was interested to see if he gave DC a deadline for issuing permits to the complainants (he didn't).
TLDR;
1) DC is enjoined from applying G&S to applicants.
2) DC must update their application documents to reflect no G&S required.
TLDR;
1) DC is enjoined from applying G&S to applicants.
2) DC must update their application documents to reflect no G&S required.
Interesting to note no order to accept previous applications without recharging.
DC did the right thing here
DC did the right thing here
W2D
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I applied today. Late afternoon and no other customers there. I was out of there in 30 minutes, but it took 2 hours to get home.
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Good for you.
Yeah, if you don't leave downtown by 2pm on Fridays it's seriously no bueno on the ride home.
I try to do all my businesses downtown between 10-2.
DC is a fair weather town. Jammed up every sunny day. If you want to get in and out easy and quick for some business, go on a rainy day.
Congrats- I applied last Monday morning- had the same experience regarding being in/out quickly. My Maryland W&C class from Feb 2016 satisfied their training and range requirements, so the only training I'll need is the legal class, within 45 days of approval, which they said takes a full 90 days.
I can't believe that after all of this time, I have watched IL and DC become shall issue while MD is still the way it is..... of course both were due to legal decisions, can't believe we got screwed so hard in Woolard. Goes to show why it is so important to elect the correct party to the White House- the single most important thing a president does is make federal judicial appointments. If only the 4th hadn't been stacked to work us over the same way the 9th was stacked to work over the poor suckers living under the 9CA in Peruta
IMHO Metro is a disaster waiting to happen again. Poor maintenance, incompetent employees, and ineffective oversight by management.
I drive into DC or take Uber.
Last time I drove in (month ago) I found a parking space 1 block from MPDC HQ. $5.50 for two hours. I can live with that.
I drive into DC or take Uber.
Last time I drove in (month ago) I found a parking space 1 block from MPDC HQ. $5.50 for two hours. I can live with that.
Your right. Metro management sucks. If the other problems exist. See the previous sentence.
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What are the odds DC eventually changes their policy on requiring a home state permit to get a DC permit?
There's no other place I'd rather carry than DC.
There's no other place I'd rather carry than DC.
Not a requirement. They require a permit from ANY state for non-residents. Doesn’t have to be your home state like PA.
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