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Old April 11th, 2018, 08:58 PM #71
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After watching his bestest buddy Sue Krebs in Carroll County vote YEA for 1302 I can only consider them SWAMP. Justin Ready and few others voted NO, the rest need replaced. If there is even a choice left in the FREE STATE.
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Kinda sounds like the 1-200 folks that have been allowed to get thru the hgrb scheme and those business owners with enough time and money to get thru it also donít care if we have a pro 2a governor or mga as long as they got theirs

Has joe the ditch digger gotten his unrestricted permit with self defense yet? Oh thatís right, no permit for those who donít fit the scheme.

Yíall are right, letís bitch at the folks who want a pro 2a governor on a pro 2a forum.
If Hogan signs the bill with new rules, the HPRB will be nothing but a show trial. Hell, MSP doesn't even have to show up. It doesn't rescind their right to have it reheard with an ALJ.
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Old April 11th, 2018, 09:37 PM #73
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Wow. didnt realize one of my reps actually voted yes....
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Old April 12th, 2018, 09:13 AM #74
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After watching his bestest buddy Sue Krebs in Carroll County vote YEA for 1302 I can only consider them SWAMP. Justin Ready and few others voted NO, the rest need replaced. If there is even a choice left in the FREE STATE.
FWIW, That's the first vote out of the House on the initial House bill. They say they didn't understand the bill. Quite possible, as the House committee completely rewrote the bill secretly and the House leadership pushed it through very fast. Frankly, it caught a lot of us looking the other way. Our opponents are sneaky and underhanded and play by their own rules. House members were then educated. Here is the second vote after it was amended in the Senate to be far less onerous (still God Awful -- the initial House version was just far worse). On the final bill (as amended in the Senate), the House vote was 93 to 46, with four Republicans voting for the bill. Those four were Delegate Kathy Afzali (District 4, Frederick and Carroll Counties), Delegate Chris West, (District 42B, Baltimore County), Delegate Susan L. M. Auman, (District 42B, Baltimore County) and Delegate Robert L. Flanagan, (District 9B, Howard County). All other Republicans voted "NO." Note the switch (including Sue Krebs). Led by Judicial Proceedings Committee members, Senators Hough, Ready, Cassilly and Senator Linda Norman, nearly every Senate Republican stood with us on HB 1302, after it emerged from Committee. Senator Mathias, a Democrat, also voted "NO." The only Republican exception was Senator Reilly District 33, Anne Arundel County. Politicians make mistakes all the time. These Delegates sought to redeem themselves the second time around. Folks can come to their own conclusions whether to set aside the initial vote. I have. It is more than fair to hold everyone to account for their final votes.
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Old April 12th, 2018, 11:17 AM #75
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Take a long hard look at those who Yea'd, and then watch them all get re-elected..... Rinse & repeat.
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FWIW, That's the first vote out of the House on the initial House bill. They say they didn't understand the bill. Quite possible, as the House committee completely rewrote the bill secretly and the House leadership pushed it through very fast. Frankly, it caught a lot of us looking the other way. Our opponents are sneaky and underhanded and play by their own rules. House members were then educated. Here is the second vote after it was amended in the Senate to be far less onerous (still God Awful -- the initial House version was just far worse). On the final bill (as amended in the Senate), the House vote was 93 to 46, with four Republicans voting for the bill. Those four were Delegate Kathy Afzali (District 4, Frederick and Carroll Counties), Delegate Chris West, (District 42B, Baltimore County), Delegate Susan L. M. Auman, (District 42B, Baltimore County) and Delegate Robert L. Flanagan, (District 9B, Howard County). All other Republicans voted "NO." Note the switch (including Sue Krebs). Led by Judicial Proceedings Committee members, Senators Hough, Ready, Cassilly and Senator Linda Norman, nearly every Senate Republican stood with us on HB 1302, after it emerged from Committee. Senator Mathias, a Democrat, also voted "NO." The only Republican exception was Senator Reilly District 33, Anne Arundel County. Politicians make mistakes all the time. These Delegates sought to redeem themselves the second time around. Folks can come to their own conclusions whether to set aside the initial vote. I have. It is more than fair to hold everyone to account for their final votes.


Yeah, imo, they only changed their votes after having their ass handed back to them via their constituents. All of a sudden their minds change when they get scared of losing a lot of votes...
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Yeah, imo, they only changed their votes after having their ass handed back to them via their constituents. All of a sudden their minds change when they get scared of losing a lot of votes...
Perhaps so. That's life as a politician. They are all guilty of being politicians (by definition - they run for political office). Frankly, it is not a job I would want.
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Perhaps so. That's life as a politician. They are all guilty of being politicians (by definition - they run for political office). Frankly, it is not a job I would want.
They donít just want that job, they spend money and campaign to get it. And imo itís just so they can put themselves in a position to make even more money by being in front of and involved in things to make even more money than their job pays

Term limits would help a lot in this regard
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Also, Delegate David Vogt (R-4th District -Carroll/Frederick)

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On the final bill (as amended in the Senate), the House vote was 93 to 46, with four Republicans voting for the bill. Those four were Delegate Kathy Afzali (District 4, Frederick and Carroll Counties), Delegate Chris West, (District 42B, Baltimore County), Delegate Susan L. M. Auman, (District 42B, Baltimore County) and Delegate Robert L. Flanagan, (District 9B, Howard County). All other Republicans voted "NO."
Republican Delegate David Vogt (District 4, Carroll & Frederick) also voted for HB 1302 on that final roll call, so that is five House Republicans voting for the final bill.
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