G8tor
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My mistake. I applied for both at about the same time. I just remembered that I was exempt for both due o military service.
G&S criteria met?
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My mistake. I applied for both at about the same time. I just remembered that I was exempt for both due o military service.
You can send your renewal in as close as 30 days before the expiration of your permit.
He would be entirely incorrect.
Correct, unless you have one of the exemptions from the W&C training.
Best advice I could give you is to get one of those cheap "universal" holsters and carry a variety of sidearms around all day until you figure out what fits your body type and carry situations. That super cool .45 is super cool but it might be a chunky monkey and gets heavy quick after 14+ hrs a day.
Trust me when I say that the Baby Glock 26 is a very popular EDC for a variety of reasons.
G8tor
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How onerous is it to demonstrate G&S for renewals? Does the process basically start over? Packet, reference interviews, in person interview, etc?
Same package but updated with recent deposit slips, invoices, etc... if applying as a business owner. No in person interview and your references are not called.
CypherPunk
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- Apr 6, 2012
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So, how much routine experience is there, now, with re-submitting that (updated with current records) original package once a permit holder has subsequently had their restrictions lifted? Should the renewal application, or a cover letter accompanying it, include references to the HPRB's action to lift restrictions? Should the argument for those removed restrictions be baked into the renewal application? I wonder if there's even a success/failure pattern yet, given the relative new-ness of so many restrictions being lifted.
There hasn't been that much experience (yet) of those that have had their restrictions lifted, renewing their permit. BUT, MSP has stated that upon renewal, they WILL NOT renew the unrestricted restrictions and, instead, re-apply the restrictions of the prior permit before the restriction were lifted.
I would say that it can't hurt to add a copy of the letter the overturned MSP, as that can be used in both the HPRB hearing and any further hearings after that.
I renewed last summer and received the same unrestricted permit that was expiring.
My INVESTIGATOR was confused about this as well during my in-person interview back a few years ago. As I had qualified with a revolver initially, after they asked me what kind of firearm I intended to carry and I mentioned a single-stack 9mm and 380, they said "well you qualified with a revolver so I think you'll only be able to carry revolvers unless you re-qualify with a pistol." I simply told her I believed her to be mistaken and that was the last I heard anything about it, but it's sad that this idea keeps popping up, because it means that this folklore extends to within the ranks of the MSP LD, not just the members of the public that suffer from BGOS
My investigator asked as well, but when I responded with a list of my possible carry guns he just said he'd write down "9mm" and leave it at that. He made it seem like a formality on his form and nothing else. It never came up again at subsequent reviews and/or HPRB hearings.
I think they ask to save time.
MSP "What kind of weapon do you plan on carrying? "
'Answer' Ruger PC 9.
MSP "Oh, your good. You don't need a carry permit to carry that"
MSP "What kind of weapon do you plan on carrying? "
'Answer' Ruger PC 9.
MSP "Oh, your good. You don't need a carry permit to carry that"
G&S criteria met?
I had only one question regarding anything beyond what was on my application. It was leading and probably a common trap. ‘why do you want a permit’. I answered something about in q 23 demonstrates a perceived threat, assumed risk and self defense- it’s all in there lol. Then a few questions about average deposit amounts, frequency and a pbj from 30 years ago. I politely stated all the info on my application was current and unchanged with no further elaboration. He said I just need you to tell me so I can confirm. I had a copy of my app glanced it over and said I can confirm it’s thousands regularly at odd times etc , nothing has changed. The only other exchange was when he asked for articles of incorporation and I had to explain twice what a sole proprietorship was. Then asked if I had a business license and explained was not required by Maryland law for my work. He seemed perplexed by this. I did reiterate that in my application there was proof of a FEIN, schedule C and My business ‘registration’ with the state.
One more thing of note which I thought was strange when he called to make the appointment he asked me to have my references contact him prior to my interview which was 2 days later.
I’m my mind the Trooper either didn’t like me, hated his job or just wanted to remain completely professional. There was no conversation even after I complimented his haircut, which is the same as mine- bald guy joke. I respect when someone just has a job to do so no biggie. Hope this helps someone else with their process.
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I had only one question regarding anything beyond what was on my application. It was leading and probably a common trap. ‘why do you want a permit’. I answered something about in q 23 demonstrates a perceived threat, assumed risk and self defense- it’s all in there lol. Then a few questions about average deposit amounts, frequency and a pbj from 30 years ago. I politely stated all the info on my application was current and unchanged with no further elaboration. He said I just need you to tell me so I can confirm. I had a copy of my app glanced it over and said I can confirm it’s thousands regularly at odd times etc , nothing has changed. The only other exchange was when he asked for articles of incorporation and I had to explain twice what a sole proprietorship was. Then asked if I had a business license and explained was not required by Maryland law for my work. He seemed perplexed by this. I did reiterate that in my application there was proof of a FEIN, schedule C and My business ‘registration’ with the state.
One more thing of note which I thought was strange when he called to make the appointment he asked me to have my references contact him prior to my interview which was 2 days later.
I’m my mind the Trooper either didn’t like me, hated his job or just wanted to remain completely professional. There was no conversation even after I complimented his haircut, which is the same as mine- bald guy joke. I respect when someone just has a job to do so no biggie. Hope this helps someone else with their process.
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Yeah, I had to clarify that, as well. Sell hot dogs? All sorts of paperwork involved? Perform certain flavors of professional or creative services? MD (of all places!) doesn't require a license. Still, as long as you can show a paper trail on the tax side, it shows you're not just running a hobby. In my case, no incorporation, but there are LLCs. That wan't enough! Had to produce "good standing" from SDAT and bits and pieces of personal returns showing that the income flowed to me. It all went fine, but they definitely put me through it.
knastera
Just another shooter
That is a completely inaccurate statement. I'm a W&C instructor.
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One other thing that may be of interest I forgot about was a call a few days after my interview. I was asked the date of my training and I responded by saying it was on my paperwork but didn’t have it with bme and but was there an issue? He said I was beyond 2 years. I politely told him that it was within 2 years of submitting as per the instructions on the website. In fact It it just a couple days before 2 years expired when I mailed in postmarked and received. This is what got my ass in gear and the threat of HPRB being disbanded. The trooper gave me the oh well if that what you are standing on good luck. Made me nervous but received permit with no further issues, unless you call restrictions issues.
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HeatSeeker
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Hunters safety has nothing to do with W&C training. If and when you renew you must take an 8 hour renewal class each time.
HeatSeeker
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yep
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