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Seagrave1963 · Feb 22, 2016

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-davis-gun-bill-20160221-story.html

"The idea makes sense to me," said Attorney General Brian E. Frosh, who as a senator shepherded through the legislature a 2013 gun control bill that gave Maryland among the toughest laws in the country. "I like the idea of increasing the penalty for someone carrying a weapon without a permit. …

As if being able to obtain a carry permit is even remotely realistic for "law abiding" peasants.

danb · Feb 22, 2016

If MD were shall-issue, I might support this. It is too hard to know who is carrying to protect themselves (who otherwise is law abiding) but cannot get through the process.

pbharvey · Feb 22, 2016

Is an "illegal" handgun a legal handgun carried illegally?

rseymorejr · Feb 22, 2016

Seagrave1963 said:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-davis-gun-bill-20160221-story.html

"The idea makes sense to me," said Attorney General Brian E. Frosh, who as a senator shepherded through the legislature a 2013 gun control bill that gave Maryland among the toughest laws in the country. "I like the idea of increasing the penalty for someone carrying a weapon without a permit. …

As if being able to obtain a carry permit is even remotely realistic for "law abiding" peasants.

Too bad he doesn't like the idea of increasing the penalty for someone who actually commits a violent crime

ironpony · Feb 22, 2016

I'm curious about what Hogan will say. So far firearms are too hot of a topic, and only 5% of MD'ers are declined permits so ... he should say ... wait for it ...
go get a permit.

INMY01TA · Feb 22, 2016

Can't this be used to push for making it easier to obtain a permit?

EL1227 · Feb 22, 2016

Be careful what you wish for ...

As State Senator from MoCo, Frosh 'desk drawer veto'ed' every bill that placed harsher penalties on criminal gun use, so why would he be advocating it now other than to give license to law enforcement to go after the 'low hanging fruit' of law-abiding CCW holders who might accidently carry in the wrong place, or to simply place another roadblock to head off any challenges to the G&S status quo. After all, if they won't prosecute known illegal dirt bike riders, why would they prosecute known illegal gun carriers ?

Probably because they shoot first. :innocent0

Perhaps this old video will provide a clue ...

Yep, Senator Brian Frosh needed a new job. Unfortunately the ignorant voters of MD gave him a promotion.

redeemed.man · Feb 22, 2016

Seagrave1963 said:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-davis-gun-bill-20160221-story.html

"The idea makes sense to me," said Attorney General Brian E. Frosh, who as a senator shepherded through the legislature a 2013 gun control bill that gave Maryland among the toughest laws in the country. "I like the idea of increasing the penalty for someone carrying a weapon without a permit. …

As if being able to obtain a carry permit is even remotely realistic for "law abiding" peasants.

This is the bill proposed publicly by BPD Chief Kevin Davis (on behalf of Frosh), and it WILL apply to carrying outside handgun permit restrictions. This is a horrible bill for a multitude of reasons.

Rab1515 · Feb 22, 2016

Every homicide I've ever prosecuted starts with someone having a loaded gun they shouldn't have

Right, and murder and assault are legal.

Brychan · Feb 22, 2016

I really like this quote

"They tend not to be the 'law-abiding public' who decided not to get a permit," said University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist Richard Rosenfeld

This is MD it's not up to the law-abiding public to decide if they want a permit, I want one, was one of the 365 that was turned down for not having G&S, so that logic does not apply here.

Jim12 · Feb 22, 2016

Don't they already have laws against purchasing, owning, possessing, and using handguns illegally in a crime?

Don't we read on MD Case Search after nearly every well-publicized shooting in MD that the perp had multiple prior arrests involving illegal firearm possession or use, only to find that the firearms charges were nolle prosse'd, or minimal time was served with early parole and the perp actually committed the new crime when he should have been behind bars for the previous one?

This law only makes sense to the AG because to him, every 2A restriction, ban, burden, cost, or fee imposed on firearms ownership makes sense to him. Name one that hasn't.

The simple, sad truth is that MD prosecutors and judges are soft on gun crime and subsidize it with leniency... while at the same time, law abiding citizens are taxed with burdensome restrictions, costs, and fees.

And when this proposal doesn't work, the MGA probably will add new, separate crimes, e.g. additional penalties for pointing a gun at someone, for looking through gun sights while aimed at a person, for putting one's finger on a gun's trigger with malicious intent, and the list could go on and on. Turn one act into 10 different charges, then nolle prosse all of them and let the guy walk again.

And these yuckapucks keep getting elected to the MGA on their promises of promoting safety. Stunning idiocy. Oh, of course some criminal defense attorneys in the MGA, like Vallario have made very lucrative political and professional careers from this.

There really are enough gun control laws.

How about they start controlling the criminals?

Mr H · Feb 22, 2016

I get the feeling that the guns being discovered in carry-ons at the airport might have been the catalyst for this piece of feel-good tripe.

EL1227 · Feb 22, 2016

Mr H said:
I get the feeling that the guns being discovered in carry-ons at the airport might have been the catalyst for this piece of feel-good tripe.

Isn't that already illegal or are they just following the Dean Wormer School of jurisprudence ?

Boom Boom · Feb 22, 2016

boundlessdyad said:
This is the bill proposed publicly by BPD Chief Kevin Davis (on behalf of Frosh), and it WILL apply to carrying outside handgun permit restrictions. This is a horrible bill for a multitude of reasons.

Bingo. It's a poison bill aimed at permit holders. Frosh knows full well that existing permits can be so restrictive that it's easy to run afoul, no matter if unintentional or momentarily. Frosh also sees the writing on the wall regarding shall-issue and wants to get out in front of it. This bill has absolutely nothing to do with real public safety. It's designed to make it easier for the state to ensnare gun owners with carry permits, including shall-issue if/when it happens.

cantstop · Feb 22, 2016

And...

If I read this right, it will also make it illegal to carry on your own property or business.

Mr H · Feb 22, 2016

cantstop said:
And...

If I read this right, it will also make it illegal to carry on your own property or business.

If so, it flies in the face of every 2A win in recent years... Should go nowhere, fast.

MikeTF · Feb 22, 2016

More BS legislation that won't make a difference. Typical for Maryland.

EL1227 · Feb 22, 2016

Mr H said:
If so, it flies in the face of every 2A win in recent years... Should go nowhere, fast.

It hasn't stopped them in the past. They would spend OUR tax dollars in long, drawn out litigation which requires our side to spend even more of our limited funds to contest and win. This battle can't be fought in the courts without mega-buck benefactors like the NRA, or savvy 2A lawyers who will do it pro bono.

Take it to the streets, a la Rack & Roll's tactics. It's just another bill with unintended consequences, but this time with Frosh's backing. Time for a little more public shaming.

Mr H · Feb 22, 2016

It's what you get after too much Miller and Busch...

Free-flowing Frosh.

pbharvey · Feb 22, 2016

The police commissioner is on WBAL radio talking to C4 about this right now

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