This is your Governor solving crime

MDFF2008 · Feb 21, 2018

Don't worry, the same MD Democrats who call for more gun control are already protesting the governor's call for harsher prison sentences.

lazarus · Feb 21, 2018

danb said:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-operation-seven-sentries-20180221-story.html

Too early to say whether will have a long term impact. There are still 6800 people with warrants out there. It also depends on how many stay behind bars permanently. Why we are paying room and board I don't know. Bring back the death penalty.

Keep in mind most of the 6800 remaining are likely for things like ignored summons and unpaid fines, not violent crimes or even property crimes.

Art3 · Feb 21, 2018

I guess I've gotten so accustomed to seeing negative things lately. I initially read the title as being sarcastic and was hesitant to click on it at first, thinking, "oh great. What's happened now? :rolleyes:

Is he saying something we won't like about magazines and crime?" But...I guess this is actualy a good thing? :shrug:

I don't even remember how to handle that...

redeemed.man · Feb 22, 2018

Now we know why the murders slowed for a bit. Now that these guys have all likely been released pending trial it's back to business as usual.

K31 · Feb 22, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
7000 are probably for failure to respond to court on misd Charges

From the OP linked article:

The operation from Jan. 16 to Feb. 15 targeted violent offenders wanted on warrants. Marshals narrowed a Baltimore police list of 7,200 open warrants down to 400 offenders with violent histories.

So 400 had at least one prior. That means a bunch more were probably for violent crimes but didn't have a record.

rseymorejr · Feb 22, 2018

boundlessdyad said:
Now we know why the murders slowed for a bit. Now that these guys have all likely been released pending trial it's back to business as usual.

They got 3 yesterday

ras_oscar · Feb 22, 2018

The problem is there aren't enough spaces in jail to lock up all the offenders. We learned that in the previous administration. I suspect the judges are looking at prison space available and making triage determinations.

Boom Boom · Feb 22, 2018

K31 said:
From the OP linked article:

So 400 had at least one prior. That means a bunch more were probably for violent crimes but didn't have a record.

I read it the opposite way. Out of 7,200 open warrants, LE targeted the serious ones. Most of the rest are probably bench warrants for failure to appear on minor charges, as mpdc4511 said.

chilipeppermaniac · Feb 22, 2018

davsco said:
and/or how many are out and about because they were released with little to no bond or released "early" for whatever reason. put, and keep, the violent criminals in jail and see what that does for violent crime before you infringe on the 2a rights of actual law-abiding citizens.

This is exactly the argument that we clear sighted Patriots see with 20/20 or better vision, while knee jerk reactions to school/Vegas/ etc shooting crimes onl see gun grab legislation as the solution.

THERE are already tons of laws meant to address the CRIME and Criminal, but when it comes to preventing the violent act or punishing the offender to fit his crime always gets watered down to the point of uselessness.

Didn't that Florida shooter already have red flags on him swept under the rug by people who could have stopped it? Or isn't this politically sexy enough to boost the rating of the gun grab libs?

BigCountry14 · Feb 22, 2018

Matlack said:
Judges arent the only part of the problem equation. You also have states attorney's who refuse to prosecute or plea deal away all but the least severe charges, if they they charge them at all.

I actually talked to a former Baltimore SA about this. Part of the issue is that the citizens distrust the police in Baltimore so much, they have a very hard time convincing a jury to convict. So unless they have rock solid tangible evidence, they dont even bother wasting the time and money anymore. Anything that relies on testimony of police is more or less a no go

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BigCountry14 · Feb 22, 2018

By no means am I saying that its right, but it definitely gave me a new perspective on it.

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dplay · Feb 22, 2018

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yakfish said:
I'd rather see my governor directing the state police to issue wear and carry permits.

I don't give a rats ass about crime in Baltimore

You should care because crime, like rats asses, doesn't stay in one place.

lazarus · Feb 22, 2018

BigCountry14 said:
I actually talked to a former Baltimore SA about this. Part of the issue is that the citizens distrust the police in Baltimore so much, they have a very hard time convincing a jury to convict. So unless they have rock solid tangible evidence, they dont even bother wasting the time and money anymore. Anything that relies on testimony of police is more or less a no go

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Which is unfortunate, but then again when you have cases like the Baltimore officers convicted or pleading guilty of stealing money and drugs from suspects and in some cases, probably innocent people (most probably were criminals or ex-criminals, but everyone deserves their rights).

Kind of doesn't surprise. Especially because it was, what? 6 or 7 officers? But there are another suspected 10-20 officers likely involved.

Oh and the case of the BPD officer caught staging evidence on his body camera (supposedly recreating his discovery. Yeah, maybe).

When you've got no trust of the police and for good reasons, that is one of the results.

yakfish · Feb 22, 2018

lazarus said:
Which is unfortunate, but then again when you have cases like the Baltimore officers convicted or pleading guilty of stealing money and drugs from suspects and in some cases, probably innocent people (most probably were criminals or ex-criminals, but everyone deserves their rights).

Kind of doesn't surprise. Especially because it was, what? 6 or 7 officers? But there are another suspected 10-20 officers likely involved.

Oh and the case of the BPD officer caught staging evidence on his body camera (supposedly recreating his discovery. Yeah, maybe).

When you've got no trust of the police and for good reasons, that is one of the results.

This.

So maybe 30 officers are pretty much KNOWN to be implicated in just THIS scandal.

There are other scandals no one knows about yet. Assume those have similar numbers of involvement.

Extrapolate those numbers to the rest of the force.

That means it's statically likely that up to 10% of the Baltimore police departments 3,000 officers are regularly engaged in criminal activity. 300 crooked cops.

How many more aren't crooked but look the other way? 40%? 50%? More?

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