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Old January 11th, 2019, 07:32 PM #21
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Most of the recent police shootings with .40 resulted in death with one shot.
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Old January 11th, 2019, 08:47 PM #23
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Most of the recent police shootings with .40 resulted in death with one shot.
Respectfully submitted, but can you back that up? I've never known an officer to fire a single shot from a handgun in a deadly force encounter.
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Most of the recent police shootings with .40 resulted in death with one shot.
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I really don't see much difference over 9mm JHP ammo performance from what it was 20 years ago. IMHO .40 is still a much better round for stopping a threat. But what do I know. I only spent 25 years in law enforcement and 6 more in the commercial firearms industry itself. How can I compare with people who go on Youtube to shoot turnips in their backyard or who have never completed an ammo contract in their lives telling us exactly how every police department in the country makes it's purchasing decisions. I'll listen only to scientific independent tests of ammunition performance, and I could also care less what claims any ammo manufacturer tells me about their product. I think the real reason PD's like the 9mm again is the inability of millennial recruits to handle the snappy recoil of the .40. But, it isn't what the mutual admiration societies of the internet gun boards say so I'm probably wrong.
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Respectfully submitted, but can you back that up? I've never known an officer to fire a single shot from a handgun in a deadly force encounter.
It's the new Dim Mak hollowpoint.
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As an aside, you know you're a dog lover when you watch a movie where a guy spends two hours killing about 600 people with up-close head shots in revenge for someone killing his dog, and the one part you always have to skip over is the dog part, because that's disturbing.
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I've heard some officers speculating that the change is because the 9mm isn't as deadly so they are switching for liability issues...to me that's hard to believe that would be the reason but in this age of endless litigation and the potential for civil unrest when one group believes all police involved shooting deaths are caused by racist and abusive officers I can easily see some people ( certain politicians) thinking like that.
That's some high level tin foil right there. Not directed at you; what those officers supposedly said/think.
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I really don't see much difference over 9mm JHP ammo performance from what it was 20 years ago. IMHO .40 is still a much better round for stopping a threat. But what do I know. I only spent 25 years in law enforcement and 6 more in the commercial firearms industry itself. How can I compare with people who go on Youtube to shoot turnips in their backyard or who have never completed an ammo contract in their lives telling us exactly how every police department in the country makes it's purchasing decisions. I'll listen only to scientific independent tests of ammunition performance, and I could also care less what claims any ammo manufacturer tells me about their product. I think the real reason PD's like the 9mm again is the inability of millennial recruits to handle the snappy recoil of the .40. But, it isn't what the mutual admiration societies of the internet gun boards say so I'm probably wrong.
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Ballistics has come a long way in 20 yrs. I remember when I went from 9mm to .40 cal. Now I'm back to 9mm 20 yrs later.
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As an aside, you know you're a dog lover when you watch a movie where a guy spends two hours killing about 600 people with up-close head shots in revenge for someone killing his dog, and the one part you always have to skip over is the dog part, because that's disturbing.
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