Windham R16M4 only chambered in 7.62x39 legal?

Biggfoot44 · Apr 22, 2017

Is any part of FSA logical ? No.

Is any part of MSP LD logical or internally consistant ? Only occasionally.

Is current MSP Dealer Advisory on HBAR logical ? No. But the current flavor is clearer and more easily interpreted than the previous flavors .

j_h_smith · Apr 22, 2017

ericoak said:
So if I profile my own barrel I can shape it any way I want as the manufacturer and call it HBAR or stamp it with HBAR and it is legal according to you?

This message was written in the state of MD.

inkd said:
Yes. I have 3 barrels I made from blanks that had no markings on them whatsoever.

After I completed them I had the barrels marked with the barrel manufacturer, caliber, twist rate and HBAR. They are completely legal in Maryland.

I can also copy and paste the entire email chain between me and a Maryland State Trooper where he confirms that a barrel need only be stamped or advertised as a heavy barrel to be legal in Maryland and that contour, profile or weight have nothing to do with it.

Now do you believe me?

ericoak · Apr 23, 2017

j_h_smith said:
Now do you believe me?

Hahaha oh the troopers said it. It must be right!

Troopers have no idea what they are talking about. Look up my first thread on this forum ever. The MSP trooper told me an SGL-20 (Russian AKM clone) was unregulated.

When MSP said I couldn't bring my SBR into MD and reversed their decision, did the law change? Or did MSP realize they are wrong?

j_h_smith · Apr 23, 2017

ericoak said:
Hahaha oh the troopers said it. It must be right!

Troopers have no idea what they are talking about. Look up my first thread on this forum ever. The MSP trooper told me an SGL-20 (Russian AKM clone) was unregulated.

When MSP said I couldn't bring my SBR into MD and reversed their decision, did the law change? Or did MSP realize they are wrong?

Forget what others have experienced. Forget what the dealers say.

I'm done, there's nothing more I have to say.

outrider58 · Apr 23, 2017

inkd said:
Yes. I have 3 barrels I made from blanks that had no markings on them whatsoever.

After I completed them I had the barrels marked with the barrel manufacturer, caliber, twist rate and HBAR. They are completely legal in Maryland.

I can also copy and paste the entire email chain between me and a Maryland State Trooper where he confirms that a barrel need only be stamped or advertised as a heavy barrel to be legal in Maryland and that contour, profile or weight have nothing to do with it.

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ericoak · Apr 23, 2017

Sweet I'm going to bend an AKM flat and stamp SCAR-17 on there so it's legal.

ericoak · Apr 23, 2017

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3717556

MSP for a year after 2013 was saying full auto M10s were illegal. It was proven to them that they were wrong, and they now approve them.

By the logic in this thread, MSP changed the law when they started approving M10s. And of course MSP has no authority to make or change laws.

sxs · Apr 23, 2017

ericoak said:
Hahaha oh the troopers said it. It must be right!

Troopers have no idea what they are talking about. Look up my first thread on this forum ever. The MSP trooper told me an SGL-20 (Russian AKM clone) was unregulated.

When MSP said I couldn't bring my SBR into MD and reversed their decision, did the law change? Or did MSP realize they are wrong?

It ain't just a 'Trooper' we're talking about here....because you're right. They all don't know specifics on the law.. However, it's people who matter who work in the MSP Licensing Division. They have issued opinions as to what an HBAR is.

The law itself says Colt AR15 an all imitations except for the Colt Sporter HBAR. When facing possible lawsuits, an opinion was issued that an 'HBAR' was any rifle stamped HBAR on the barrel or receiver or is marketed as a Heavy Barrel. Otherwise only the Colt HBAR would be legal.

ericoak · Apr 23, 2017

sxs said:
It ain't just a 'Trooper' we're talking about here....because you're right. They all don't know specifics on the law.. However, it's people who matter who work in the MSP Licensing Division. They have issued opinions as to what an HBAR is.

The law itself says Colt AR15 an all imitations except for the Colt Sporter HBAR. When facing possible lawsuits, an opinion was issued that an 'HBAR' was any rifle stamped HBAR on the barrel or receiver or is marketed as a Heavy Barrel. Otherwise only the Colt HBAR would be legal.

I agree the Licensing Division is better than troopers but they have still reversed themselves when pushed into a corner. SBRs,
Ar-15 receivers and pistols, MG versions of banned rifles etc.

outrider58 · Apr 23, 2017

ericoak said:
I agree the Licensing Division is better than troopers but they have still reversed themselves when pushed into a corner. SBRs,
Ar-15 receivers and pistols, MG versions of banned rifles etc.

Given the general murkiness of Md gun laws as a whole, this one is fairly clear and easy to follow(and widely accepted). I don't see much wiggle room nor do I see much chance for reversal. But that's my personal take on it...YMMV

ericoak · Apr 23, 2017

outrider58 said:
Given the general murkiness of Md gun laws as a whole, this one is fairly clear and easy to follow(and widely accepted). I don't see much wiggle room nor do I see much chance for reversal. But that's my personal take on it...YMMV

Agreed on the murkiness, and the effort it would take to make them reverse themselves is probably not worth it.

Meditator · May 20, 2017

Last checked w/ MSP website :

Windham Weaponry
Windham Weaponry R16M4FTT-762
Not Banned Neither a "Copycat" nor cosmetically similar to anything on the current enumerated banned weapon list 12/9/2014

fidelity · May 20, 2017

Meditator said:
Last checked w/ MSP website :

Windham Weaponry
Windham Weaponry R16M4FTT-762
Not Banned Neither a "Copycat" nor cosmetically similar to anything on the current enumerated banned weapon list 12/9/2014

This makes sense to me given that the HBAR question shouldn't be relevant for rifles that aren't AR-15 rifles chambered in .223/5.56 (and direct impingement - albeit no comment on the MSP advisement on the Sig MCX). Does the Windham even use an AR-15 BCG, or is it modified?

Good prices for them at a couple vendors ($500) ...

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...+Weaponry/WIND+R16M4FTT-762+SRC+762X39+16+30R
http://tooeleshootingsupply.com/sho...2-ar-15-7-62x39-16-bbl-30-round-optics-ready/ (Slightly more here, but prefer them over Buds, having ordered from both - Buds isn't bad, but TSS is really friendly and helpful, whereas Buds can be disorganized)

ericoak · May 21, 2017

fidelity said:
This makes sense to me given that the HBAR question shouldn't be relevant for rifles that aren't AR-15 rifles chambered in .223/5.56 (and direct impingement - albeit no comment on the MSP advisement on the Sig MCX). Does the Windham even use an AR-15 BCG, or is it modified?

Good prices for them at a couple vendors ($500) ...

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...+Weaponry/WIND+R16M4FTT-762+SRC+762X39+16+30R
http://tooeleshootingsupply.com/sho...2-ar-15-7-62x39-16-bbl-30-round-optics-ready/ (Slightly more here, but prefer them over Buds, having ordered from both - Buds isn't bad, but TSS is really friendly and helpful, whereas Buds can be disorganized)

Bolt carrier is the same but the bolt is different because the cases are different.

Buddy in MD tried to order from Buds but they wouldn't ship because of the mag.

Hit and Run · May 21, 2017

ericoak said:
Bolt carrier is the same but the bolt is different because the cases are different.

Buddy in MD tried to order from Buds but they wouldn't ship because of the mag.

Great price from Bud's, coming in under what I could get for limited order from wholesaler.

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Sirex · May 22, 2017

Hit and Run said:
Great price from Bud's, coming in under what I could get for limited order from wholesaler.

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Bud's won't alter the package by removing the mag, or shipping and letting the FFL take the mag. I went thru this last month.

Hit and Run · May 22, 2017

Sirex said:
Bud's won't alter the package by removing the mag, or shipping and letting the FFL take the mag. I went thru this last month.

Still a great price...my point.

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Meditator · May 22, 2017

PSA PA47 16" 7.62X39 UPPER W/BCG AND CHARGING HANDLE - 505404

Or just buy PSA 7.62x39 upper for $299 shipped and build your own.

Sirex · May 23, 2017

Hit and Run said:
Still a great price...my point.

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I know, just didn't want people to deal with the hassle I dealt with.

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