I currently get mine from Spinta Precision and am very happy with them. I used to use Bushmaster quite a bit and didn't have any problems with their barrels either.
Headspacing is to short?
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- Jul 29, 2014
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Noveske and Rainier. Neither are cheap. For my cheap bbs, I always used DEZ, but I think that may have to change.
ShaggySDG
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They are a tab bit expensive lol.
Every site I try and find a barrel on there all out-of-stock but I finally found one. Does anyone have experience with MAS Defense barrels also whats your opinion on Stainless Steel vs Chrome Moly Steel? I read that SS "flakes" so it loses accuracy suddenly were CMS would slowly wear.
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Look at Rock River Arms. They make a decent CM barrel. I have one that shoots great. These are the only barrels I have personal experience with(the four previously mentioned), but there are many other good, affordable barrel manufacturers out there.
PSA has some reasonably priced barrels, as well as some that are expensive as all get out sometimes, and they also have some very inexpensive barrels. its all about what you want out of a barrel. match grade = expensive most of the time, just a shooter?= get what you can afford.
jimbobborg
Oddball caliber fan
SS doesn't flake, so that's a load of crap. PSA has some nice SS HBAR barrels for decent money.
K3LAG
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I'm a big fan of Criterion barrels but I wouldn't put them in the cheap category.
ShaggySDG
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The owner of Dez Arms called me personally to explain that he makes the barrels personality and test fires each one. He understood my concerns so he wanted me to send him my barrel, bolt, and a round so he can check headspacing again and test fire it to make sure it's correct.
If anyone is interested I'll post again when he gets back to me or when I receive the barrel.
If anyone is interested I'll post again when he gets back to me or when I receive the barrel.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Unsubscribed.
Doco Overboard
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Im not an AR guy but enjoy reading all the informative information about them on this site. Alot of good advice has been given to help solve your problem. First off to me it sounds like you have components from two different manufactures in an attempt to safely chamber a round, and others will correct me if my wrong but I wouldn't start with a barrel assembly and bolt that weren't matched from the same bunch if that happens to be the case here. Especially for my first build. Thats just me but others with practical experience will know what works and with what. In your attempt to fix your problem you found minimum spec ammo that was effectively resized to your current chamber by repeated attempts to close the bolt with the aid of the buffer or action spring. Not a good spot to be in for a number of reasons that could be dangerous and at the very least hard on the rifle. It is not uncommon for a new bolt fit to be tight on initial break in but in your case it seems as if you have an interference fit due to plus or minus parts tolerance accumulation or a combination of the same, an inadequately reamed chamber or some other anomaly. The barrel maker/smith should have immediately told you to return the parts so he could check his work and make necessary corrections. For all we know the finish reamer may have been at the end of its useful life and should be turned into a rougher and if he did test fire it that may have been done with a test/bench bolt group that has been subjected to some wear. The answers he gave you sounded like lip service to me. Do your self a favor and don't fire the rifle until someone competent who knows what they are looking at it positively proves the chamber or identifies the problem area.
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Still 'subscribed' because I want to hear their findings(b/c you can learn as much from bullchit as you can from the truth). I know a guy....
ShaggySDG
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Okay, so a little update so far, I shipped the package with everything they requested and to the address they provided also googled the address to make sure I had it correct and it did say it was Dez Arms.
So it was supposed to be delivered yesterday (Wednesday) and the tracking updated at 11:30am saying the business was closed so ups held the package. So I called Dave's personal phone because he told me if I had any problems to call him number directly so I did it was around 8:00 pm (they are 1 hour behind) and it rang once and he hit the bitch button which is understandable its out of town number and it's late so I just shrug that off (I did leave a voice mail).
So the next day I figured that the business might be closed for the holidays so I text his number introduce my self and apologizing for calling late yesterday and informing him that I would change the delivery date to next week so my package doesn't get sent back to me. He text me a bit later saying that they are open so I check the tracking again to make sure they delivered it but once again ups reported that the business is closed again.
So I had text him again saying that the package failed to be delivered again and sent him the tracking number.
He hasn't gotten back to me yet, I'll just edit this post when (if) they get back to me.
Edit: Okay, so the package got delivered later today
So it was supposed to be delivered yesterday (Wednesday) and the tracking updated at 11:30am saying the business was closed so ups held the package. So I called Dave's personal phone because he told me if I had any problems to call him number directly so I did it was around 8:00 pm (they are 1 hour behind) and it rang once and he hit the bitch button which is understandable its out of town number and it's late so I just shrug that off (I did leave a voice mail).
So the next day I figured that the business might be closed for the holidays so I text his number introduce my self and apologizing for calling late yesterday and informing him that I would change the delivery date to next week so my package doesn't get sent back to me. He text me a bit later saying that they are open so I check the tracking again to make sure they delivered it but once again ups reported that the business is closed again.
So I had text him again saying that the package failed to be delivered again and sent him the tracking number.
He hasn't gotten back to me yet, I'll just edit this post when (if) they get back to me.
Edit: Okay, so the package got delivered later today
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Lazy delivery guy or thief. 
Silverlax
Active Member
Is there any update with this? I'm currently having the same issue with my DEZ.
Those that say DEX ARMS was blowing smoke or that they never heard anything like they explained, or it's confusing....more then likely have never been in the industry to know what they are talking about. For most of us there are three headspace gauges: No Go, GO, Field. Well there are more especially for AR manufacturers. One is an assembly headspace gauge or manufacturers headspace gauge and is used during assembling the rifle. It could be considered a minimum Go gauges. DEX ARMS told you the truth. They are assembled a "little tight" and after a few rounds the parts wear in and are well within the GO limits. Colt also have a gauge that they use if the bolt on an AR 15 closes on a NO GO gauge and it use is to show if the rifle is safe and still serviceable.
The internet forums are one of the worse places for correct information unless one of the manufacturers happens to be a member on such forum. The best place to go to is the manufacturer first or and real top rated professional gunsmith with expertise in the particular firearm you are having problems with.
Sorry to be so hard on some of you guys, but this thread was just so interesting and funny to read.
The internet forums are one of the worse places for correct information unless one of the manufacturers happens to be a member on such forum. The best place to go to is the manufacturer first or and real top rated professional gunsmith with expertise in the particular firearm you are having problems with.
Sorry to be so hard on some of you guys, but this thread was just so interesting and funny to read.
Ill stick with whatever Chad tells me, but thanks.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Colt does not use a NO GO for manufacturing, they use a 5.56 GO which is different than a .223 GO. There are 12 HS Gauges made for .223 and 5.56.
His Barrel or Bolt caused short headspace and it's not an performance enhancement.
Since you know so much about the AR, perhaps you can share a photo of your workspace and your credentials.
I'll share mine:
Professional Gunsmith for Scott's Gunsmithing 13 years
Technical AR15' Instructor for School of the American Rifle 3 years.
BTW, the tools, gauges, and jigs are completely AR specific.
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