prices for colt 1911 (O1970A1CS)?

CruncherBlock · Apr 5, 2016

Just got my HQL and I'm looking to get a new Colt 1911. The Colt website MSRP is for the 70 series is $899 but when I search around sites like GunBroker, they are usually higher. What's the story with that? What is a realistic price?

yournamehere · Apr 5, 2016

Check here: https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/O1970A1CS

303_enfield · Apr 5, 2016

Take a look at this:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4293588&postcount=834

It's a steal of a deal. Buy it so I don't have to

CruncherBlock · Apr 5, 2016

303_enfield said:
Take a look at this:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4293588&postcount=834

It's a steal of a deal. Buy it so I don't have to

The 1911 is from 1973 and is $900.00. I don't get it, why would a non-collector gun cost as much as a brand new one?

mopar92 · Apr 5, 2016

CruncherBlock said:
The 1911 is from 1973 and is $900.00. I don't get it, why would a non-collector gun cost as much as a brand new one?

The short answer is "because it's Colt".

The long answer is some people tie there egos to guns they own or want and will ignore any faults that gun may have (real or imagined). That era in Colt manufacturing wasn't the greatest in Colts history which prompted Springfield Armory to begin its business.

And gunshops are capitalists and would (and will) charge you $10 for a five dollar item if you have a spasm in your pants everytime you see a name brand.

Arcamm · Apr 5, 2016

A decent firearm can appreciate in value.

303_enfield · Apr 5, 2016

mopar92 said:
The short answer is "because it's Colt".

The long answer is some people tie there egos to guns they own or want and will ignore any faults that gun may have (real or imagined). That era in Colt manufacturing wasn't the greatest in Colts history which prompted Springfield Armory to begin its business.

And gunshops are capitalists and would (and will) charge you $10 for a five dollar item if you have a spasm in your pants everytime you see a name brand.

Not "because it's Colt", because it's a "REAL" series 70. An 1973 was a great time for Colt.

Same gun an box can push $1,100+

NateIU10 · Apr 5, 2016

I can get you one for $899 plus tax/MSP, would take 4-5 days to get in.

Nate@engagearmament.com is easiest if interested

mopar92 · Apr 5, 2016

303_enfield said:
Not "because it's Colt", because it's a "REAL" series 70. An 1973 was a great time for Colt.

Same gun an box can push $1,100+

1973 was not a great time for Colt, hence the introduction of the Series 70 a firearm designed for ease of manufacturing, cost cutting and squeezing the last dime out of each penny. Now one could argue they where flush with cash with regards to the contract for the renamed AR-15/M-16 (and associated variants) but they where also scrambling to rectify the negativity associated with the M-16's adoption and it's early usage in Vietnam (mostly .govs fault) and thus trying to push the AR into American hands who didn't want an "unreliable gun". Maybe the Python was profitable though.

dontpanic · Apr 5, 2016

mopar92 said:
1973 was not a great time for Colt, hence the introduction of the Series 70 a firearm designed for ease of manufacturing, cost cutting and squeezing the last dime out of each penny. Now one could argue they where flush with cash with regards to the contract for the renamed AR-15/M-16 (and associated variants) but they where also scrambling to rectify the negativity associated with the M-16's adoption and it's early usage in Vietnam (mostly .govs fault) and thus trying to push the AR into American hands who didn't want an "unreliable gun". Maybe the Python was profitable though.

The only change to the 70 series from the 1911A1 was the four prong barrel bushing. It was designed to improve accuracy.

I only own 1 1911 and it is a 1971 series 70. That said, Colt has been coasting for years. They do a very poor job of servicing the public. Preferring gov't contracts.

Here is a good history of Colt's 1911 designs.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/2/25/colt-series-70-model-1911/

mopar92 · Apr 5, 2016

dontpanic said:
The only change to the 70 series from the 1911A1 was the four prong barrel bushing. It was designed to improve accuracy.

I only own 1 1911 and it is a 1971 series 70. That said, Colt has been coasting for years. They do a very poor job of servicing the public. Preferring gov't contracts.

Here is a good history of Colt's 1911 designs.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/2/25/colt-series-70-model-1911/

They also redesigned the barrel to work with the "Accu-rizor" collet bushing. And it was originally designed to reduce the fitting of a standard barrel bushing and the locking lugs of the barrel simplifying production as several barrel fitting steps where reduced or removed. It was a happy accident that it improved accuracy and they quickly (to their credit) jumped on the good news bandwagon to promote the feature.

StantonCree · Apr 5, 2016

The actual answer is because colt is between owners and dealing with bank problems so currently they are trying to liquidate stock for capital. How's the time to buy a colt but don't expect it to really appreciate to oodles of cash. People previously paid those prices for colts but the actual company has dropped price to make some cashola

Go see A1Uniform or Nate at engage and get your Colt.

dontpanic · Apr 5, 2016

mopar92 said:
They also redesigned the barrel to work with the "Accu-rizor" collet bushing. And it was originally designed to reduce the fitting of a standard barrel bushing and the locking lugs of the barrel simplifying production as several barrel fitting steps where reduced or removed. It was a happy accident that it improved accuracy and they quickly (to their credit) jumped on the good news bandwagon to promote the feature.

I like the idea of the "happy accident"

Biggfoot44 · Apr 6, 2016

1. It's a Colt.

2. While back in the '70s purists decried the evil collet bushings, from the current viewpoint, the bushing factor is largely overlooked , as the bigger issue is being " Pre- Series 80 " .

2Asales&Supplies · Apr 6, 2016

Well, we have new Series 70s in the store. They are $899.99 + tax & MSP.

The Used 1973 Series 70 we have shows definite sign of superior craftsmanship to any of the new Colts we've seen lately(or in the last few years). That probably explains why they are more desirable. This is why people will pay more for them.

No ego, just the truth.

over/under · Apr 7, 2016

mopar92 said:
They also redesigned the barrel to work with the "Accu-rizor" collet bushing. And it was originally designed to reduce the fitting of a standard barrel bushing and the locking lugs of the barrel simplifying production as several barrel fitting steps where reduced or removed. It was a happy accident that it improved accuracy and they quickly (to their credit) jumped on the good news bandwagon to promote the feature.

It's odd that Colt markets these new guns as series 70 reproductions, when they lack the original feature that made the original guns "series 70s," the collet bushings. I guess they're really pre-series 70 reproductions.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 8, 2016

To the young generation, anything pre- Series 80 gets called " Series 70 Style", which rounds off to everything pre 1980 .

Magnumite · Apr 9, 2016

mopar92 said:
The short answer is "because it's Colt".

The long answer is some people tie there egos to guns they own or want and will ignore any faults that gun may have (real or imagined). That era in Colt manufacturing wasn't the greatest in Colts history which prompted Springfield Armory to begin its business.

And gunshops are capitalists and would (and will) charge you $10 for a five dollar item if you have a spasm in your pants everytime you see a name brand.

Eloquently said. Strong fan base, for sure.

The collet bushing also has a notorious reputation for "finger" breakage and subsequently tying up the gun. This was typically from improper fitting, but you can see NO ONE uses that method now. Something to consider. So this new S70 is probably a better gun than the original when one throws in the CNC and modern production.

But, Colt is still behind the curve considering what they offer for innovation (none) and compared to what others offer. Good guns...but not that high dollar good. My assessment, others will disagree. But I have said before...I like their parts.

CruncherBlock · Apr 9, 2016

Thanks to all for the free education!

mopar92 · Apr 9, 2016

CruncherBlock said:
Thanks to all for the free education!

No matter what side of the debate you end up on. Buy the gun for the features it has and its manufacturing. Don't buy it for the heritage or the "illuminous history"* of the company.

*Told to a customer by another when he was waffling between a Colt 1911 and a Springfield Mil-Spec, the Colt had better sights and a noticeably better action and was only $50 more.

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