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  • teratos

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    I was helping my father-in-law stack some wood this morning. We have always been close in the 24 years we have known each other. He is getting up in years, and told me he decided to start giving things away. He handed me a leather holster and said to take it home. The holster is marked 1918. Inside is an M1911. Springfield Armory 5 digit serial number 72XXX. It appears to be all original (except the magazine). This gun saw service in WW1 and WW2. I have the names of the gentlemen who took it to war. Very grateful for this interesting piece of history. Thought I'd share. Also, I am a noob in this area. Any good info you can share on this, I'd be appreciative.







     

    mopar92

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    Look up the 1911 extractor test on Youtube and 1911 function check.

    It should feed hollowpoints being USGI. Colt and MecGar mags are good as is the Wilson Combat 47 magazine.

    Grease on the rails and oil on everything else.
     

    teratos

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    Look up the 1911 extractor test on Youtube and 1911 function check.

    It should feed hollowpoints being USGI. Colt and MecGar mags are good as is the Wilson Combat 47 magazine.

    Grease on the rails and oil on everything else.


    Will do. Thanks.

    That is an awesome piece of history. Your father in law must think the world of you. :thumbsup:


    He's a great guy. I hope so.

    lucky you :)


    Just gotta marry the right woman, I guess.
     

    hodgepodge

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    Sep 3, 2009
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    It looks kind of worn. You might want to spray paint it.


    Seriously, that's history. I might have someone check it out, but it is meant to be used. Shoot it.
    I never go the "1911 thing" until I owned and shot one. Great pistol!
     

    Doco Overboard

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    This very early 1915 production Springfield Armory M1911was manufactured at the Armory at Springfield Massachusetts located near the Connecticut River. As part of the original negotiations for the Model 1911 contract, the Ordnance Department secured the right to manufacture the pistol at Springfield Armory. The negotiations allowed the U.S. Government to manufacture one third of those pistols produced after Colts had produced an initial 50000 pistols. Production at Springfield was, by necessity, done in batches of serial numbers as the original authorization for Springfield specified that Colts Manufacturing Company would be given contracts for 2/3 of the pistols produced and the orders for same would be given simultaneously with orders to Springfield. Springfield prepared a set of drawings and eventually started production, and completed the first pistols in January of 1914. Other than marking, the pistol made at Springfield had few obvious differences with the Colts made pistol. However not only were there many subtle difference in the parts, but many of the parts will not completely interchange between a Springfield and a Colts made pistol. It was not until WWII that proper tolerances were specified for all parts to function and interchange between manufacturers. Parts made at Springfield can usually be identified by these subtle differences in the parts, and although many parts made at Springfield were stamped with an “S”, many were not so marked, especially in the later pistols. Therefore unmarked parts can usually be identified if they were made at Springfield. The total official M1911 production at Springfield Armory was 25,767 pistols.

    Throughout production at Springfield there were only three changes that are apparent when viewing the fully assembled pistol. The original Springfield made hammer (used from serial #72651 to about serial #76200) was short but somewhat thicker than the short Colts made hammer. At about serial #76200, the short spur hammer was replaced with a longer spur hammer that is also distinctively shaped and easily identifiable. This second type hammer had a rather sharp rear edge that often pinched the hand of the shooter. To avoid “Biting the hand that feeds it,” the sharp edge of the hammer was rounded sometime later. (Officially the change occurred by serial #102597, however type two hammers are sometimes seen in later pistols.) Springfield pistols use a distinctive magazine (made at Springfield) with folded over and brazed bottom lips as well as a copper plated section at the rear top of the walls and a lanyard loop on the floor plate. The magazine also has a distinctive coloring due to the brazing and heat treatment. A few Springfield magazines have been found without lanyard loops, however it is uncertain if these were ever issued with any pistol.

    An unknown number of Springfield and Colts made pistols were furnished by the National Rifle Association to members from late 1914 through June 1917. Most of these pistols are marked N.R.A. just below the serial number but a few are so marked on the same side ahead of the slide stop pin. While the total number of original N.R.A. marked pistols is not known, most observers believe it to be less than 1000.
    Reference Charles Clawsons “Colt .45 Service pistols”. Lucky You!
     

    teratos

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    This very early 1915 production Springfield Armory M1911was manufactured at the Armory at Springfield Massachusetts located near the Connecticut River. As part of the original negotiations for the Model 1911 contract, the Ordnance Department secured the right to manufacture the pistol at Springfield Armory. The negotiations allowed the U.S. Government to manufacture one third of those pistols produced after Colts had produced an initial 50000 pistols. Production at Springfield was, by necessity, done in batches of serial numbers as the original authorization for Springfield specified that Colts Manufacturing Company would be given contracts for 2/3 of the pistols produced and the orders for same would be given simultaneously with orders to Springfield. Springfield prepared a set of drawings and eventually started production, and completed the first pistols in January of 1914. Other than marking, the pistol made at Springfield had few obvious differences with the Colts made pistol. However not only were there many subtle difference in the parts, but many of the parts will not completely interchange between a Springfield and a Colts made pistol. It was not until WWII that proper tolerances were specified for all parts to function and interchange between manufacturers. Parts made at Springfield can usually be identified by these subtle differences in the parts, and although many parts made at Springfield were stamped with an “S”, many were not so marked, especially in the later pistols. Therefore unmarked parts can usually be identified if they were made at Springfield. The total official M1911 production at Springfield Armory was 25,767 pistols.

    Throughout production at Springfield there were only three changes that are apparent when viewing the fully assembled pistol. The original Springfield made hammer (used from serial #72651 to about serial #76200) was short but somewhat thicker than the short Colts made hammer. At about serial #76200, the short spur hammer was replaced with a longer spur hammer that is also distinctively shaped and easily identifiable. This second type hammer had a rather sharp rear edge that often pinched the hand of the shooter. To avoid “Biting the hand that feeds it,” the sharp edge of the hammer was rounded sometime later. (Officially the change occurred by serial #102597, however type two hammers are sometimes seen in later pistols.) Springfield pistols use a distinctive magazine (made at Springfield) with folded over and brazed bottom lips as well as a copper plated section at the rear top of the walls and a lanyard loop on the floor plate. The magazine also has a distinctive coloring due to the brazing and heat treatment. A few Springfield magazines have been found without lanyard loops, however it is uncertain if these were ever issued with any pistol.

    An unknown number of Springfield and Colts made pistols were furnished by the National Rifle Association to members from late 1914 through June 1917. Most of these pistols are marked N.R.A. just below the serial number but a few are so marked on the same side ahead of the slide stop pin. While the total number of original N.R.A. marked pistols is not known, most observers believe it to be less than 1000.
    Reference Charles Clawsons “Colt .45 Service pistols”. Lucky You!


    Cool! Thanks for the information!! It does indeed have the short hammer. Really excited.
     

    teratos

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    In keeping with the Pictures that Scream Bada$$ thread.... that's a gun that screams Bada$$. Treasure it. It is a wonderful piece of history. And take your FIL out for a nice dinner :-)



    As I googled it, I was more and more excited. He paid $125 for it many moons ago and just put it away. He bought it from the Captain who carried it in WW2. I wasn't aware he had it. I will take him out to dinner soon.
     

    K31

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    You suck. The same with all you people who get casually handed guns. You all suck.
     
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    Congrats!

    Even though it has some honest wear to it, that's a very desirable collectible pistol (aside from the priceless sentimental value/history).
    The finish is pretty fragile on these, as you can see on the slide.
    Finding one that still has all the original Springfield parts is quite difficult and should be preserved.

    I would shoot it sparingly and only with standard loads.
    Sure it will shoot hollow points but it wasn't designed for it, why stress it.

    The original magazines are very expensive ($300-400+) and not easy to find, although one will occasionally pop up on eBay mis-identified.
    They are unique to Springfield with a folded base instead of the pinned base that Colt and Remington UMC used.
    They also have a unique spot of copper cladding at the top of the spine.
    <ok now I see that info buried in the long tome above>
    Typically only a small portion at the bottom of the mag has bluing, unlike Colt 2-tone mags.
    Here's what to look for...
     

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    pbharvey

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    Really nice of him to give it to you now instead of waiting. There's a lesson there.
    Congratulations on marrying into a good family.
     

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