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  • hillbilly grandpa

    Active Member
    Jan 26, 2013
    961
    Arnold
    If one has firearm with the firing pin removed, rendering it inoperative, would it be legal to transfer it to another party as a curio or something, without going through the 77R/meet at the barracks process? Thanks in advance for your wisdom.
     

    KJackson

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    MDS Supporter
    Apr 3, 2017
    8,613
    Carroll County
    I think that one of the key terms in the definition that I have seen and it may be for some other state was "permanently" rendered inoperative.
     

    damifinowfish

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 14, 2009
    2,241
    Remulak
    A stripped AR15 receiver (with NO internal parts) is still a regulated firearm that need to be transferred at a FFL.

    Play by the rules and NO Body gets hurts!

    Damifinow Fish
     

    Applehd

    Throbbing Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 26, 2012
    5,285
    Fill the barrel with weld... and not JB... that's considered inoperable...
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,877
    ATF does have standards for deactivating , but it's neither simple , nor reversible .
     

    hillbilly grandpa

    Active Member
    Jan 26, 2013
    961
    Arnold
    Thanks for the variety of input. Collectively (see, we can do that collective thing, too) you have confirmed my assumption. Long live the MDS brain trust.
     
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    Doco Overboard

    Ultimate Member
    Pretty sure it needs torch cut or chopped/broken. Drill rifles with burned and cut//plugged barrels,bored through at the knox and holes drilled through the ring and or welded at receiver face have to go through the system.
    I bought a bunch of receivers one time and barrel stub screwed in hand tight wouldn't do it.
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,673
    ATF does have standards for deactivating , but it's neither simple , nor reversible .

    Oh its reversible. But its going to take a TIG welder to reverse it. And a LOT of expertise with said TIG welder. Done a lot with former machineguns that are rebuilt by SOTs or manufactured in to semi-autos (but emphasis on MANUFACTURERED. That is what the process is legally and really in point of fact to by then).
     

    Clark W. Griswold

    Active Member
    Oct 5, 2009
    929
    We use dummy guns in hunter safety. They were bought from the manufacturer as inoperative firearms. They have no firing pins and some of the rifles have barrels without rifling.

    They still have serial numbers on the receiver and are treated the same as a working firearm since swapping out parts is all that would be needed to make them operational
     

    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,673
    Torch is for cutting and destroying the receiver. A saw isn’t sufficient. ATF requires a certain thickness of material removed.

    But you can render one inoperative and it is no longer considered a gun. Pretty sure ATF has standards. Effectively, if I remember, plug the barrel with weld. Weld the firing pin hole/channel, drill a hole in the chamber and weld the barrel to the receiver. For an AR-15c you’d probably need to weld the upper to the lower doe that they couldn’t be separated.

    It likely falls under “its complicated”. If you really need to know, you could probably get an opinion from the ATF tech branch.
     

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