SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

MDFF2008 · Mar 10, 2012

Norton said:
In spite of the fact that it has NEVER happened. Out of 350,000 permit holders over a period of 10 years.....exactly ONE was convicted of a homicide.

One. Out of 13,500 homicides during that period.

And while gang bangers are out killing each other left and right; and criminals are robbing places with stolen guns,

Many will focus on that one guy as proof the policy is a failure.

Storm40 · Mar 10, 2012

gprimr1 said:
Many will focus on that one guy as proof the policy is a failure.

and ignore the recidivist scumbags who a) plea bargained away their firearm charges in the first place, b) got paroled early for "good behavior" and then c) committed a violent felony with a firearm while on parole (rinse and repeat) because he's a poor, misunderstood youth who is just trying to turn his life around.

(i'm just repeating you for the heck of it)

Maryland Hunter · Mar 10, 2012

Norton said:
In spite of the fact that it has NEVER happened. Out of 350,000 permit holders over a period of 10 years.....exactly ONE was convicted of a homicide.

One. Out of 13,500 homicides during that period.

Can we assume that is a MD stat?

MH

MDFF2008 · Mar 10, 2012

Maryland Hunter said:
Can we assume that is a MD stat?

MH

I think it's Florida.

I know in Oregon, only 4 permit holders have ever gotten in trouble for gun crimes, and the crimes were not necessarily violent.

Norton · Mar 10, 2012

Maryland Hunter said:
Can we assume that is a MD stat?

MH

Sorry....Florida.

MD has only ever issued a little over 42k permits....ever.

Maryland Hunter · Mar 10, 2012

Norton said:
Sorry....Florida.

MD has only ever issued a little over 42k permits....ever.

Thanks, that's what threw me, the 350,000. 42k huh? We can do MUCH better than that.

I wonder if we can find out how many apps they have gotten say by the end of March. Is that made public?

MH

Norton · Mar 10, 2012

Maryland Hunter said:
I wonder if we can find out how many apps they have gotten say by the end of March. Is that made public?
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It's being handled.

ThumperIII · Mar 11, 2012

Since the MSP has apparently stopped (put on hold) all processing of permit applications where the approval basis is solely dependent on the standing of the G&S ruling, will they still claim the same prior low rate of applications 'not disapproved' to the court?
Of the 42k total MD permits issued, how many of these are current/active?
How many pending application disapprovals (based solely on G&S) would be necessary to cause a significant change the 97% approval rate MSP claims?

also:
What services (photo/notary, etc) in addition to fingerprints are available at the Bel Air MVA Livescan? (so I can plan my Monday trip route from Cecil Co)

MightyWarMonger · Mar 11, 2012

http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/publicservs/fingerprint.shtml
look there for live scan places, also I assume if MDSP start to deny apps as people hear about it the influx of new apps will stop. I still plan on getting my prints done and app sent tomorrow.

Dead Eye · Mar 11, 2012

ThumperIII said:
Since the MSP has apparently stopped (put on hold) all processing of permit applications where the approval basis is solely dependent on the standing of the G&S ruling, will they still claim the same prior low rate of applications 'not disapproved' to the court?
Of the 42k total MD permits issued, how many of these are current/active?
How many pending application disapprovals (based solely on G&S) would be necessary to cause a significant change the 97% approval rate MSP claims?

also:
What services (photo/notary, etc) in addition to fingerprints are available at the Bel Air MVA Livescan? (so I can plan my Monday trip route from Cecil Co)

The Mail Bag Plus, on South Bridge Street, in Elkton, can do both (passport photos and notary).

RobSky · Mar 11, 2012

Norton said:
In spite of the fact that it has NEVER happened. Out of 350,000 permit holders over a period of 10 years.....exactly ONE was convicted of a homicide.

One. Out of 13,500 homicides during that period.

Even one is one too many... :innocent0

My app is going in on Monday. :party29:

Maryland Hunter · Mar 11, 2012

ThumperIII said:
Since the MSP has apparently stopped (put on hold) all processing of permit applications where the approval basis is solely dependent on the standing of the G&S ruling,

I thought that they HAD to process them until a stay was granted.

MH

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Lawyer56 · Mar 11, 2012

I just read/heard an interesting statistic. Since 1934, there has been only one murder committed with a legal machine gun -- and that was by a police officer.

X-Factor · Mar 11, 2012

Down Zero said:
Even one is one too many...
My app is going in on Monday.

NO ONE is arguing that, just saying the statistics bear out what we've been saying....responsible, law abiding gun owners don't murder people.

Kimerazor · Mar 11, 2012

Delegate McDermott told me yesterday that he & Delegate Smiegel signed & letter to the MSP for them to continue to process applications v. waiting on anything.

Get your apps in!

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Warpspasm · Mar 11, 2012

So, how does this LiveScan thing work when you want to put in your application? If I understand correctly, they send the fingerprint scans electronically. Do you already have to have your application mailed to the MSP? What are the actual steps, in order, to get everything you need?

BTW, still waiting for that fillable PDF application to be posted. How's that going?

BUFF7MM · Mar 11, 2012

Warpspasm said:
So, how does this LiveScan thing work when you want to put in your application? If I understand correctly, they send the fingerprint scans electronically. Do you already have to have your application mailed to the MSP? What are the actual steps, in order, to get everything you need?

BTW, still waiting for that fillable PDF application to be posted. How's that going?

You need to make a copy of the live scan receipt to send along with your application.

swinokur · Mar 11, 2012

Read this thread

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=77878&page=16

drblast33 · Mar 11, 2012

Warpspasm said:
So, how does this LiveScan thing work when you want to put in your application? If I understand correctly, they send the fingerprint scans electronically. Do you already have to have your application mailed to the MSP? What are the actual steps, in order, to get everything you need?

BTW, still waiting for that fillable PDF application to be posted. How's that going?

When you get the livescan, you get a certificate and must mail in the application with the certificate within 3 days.

Warpspasm · Mar 11, 2012

Thanks. Guess I better have the app filled out before I get the scan.

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