Banned gun?

Boxcab · Feb 9, 2017

If the S&W is Milspec you can put an HBAR upper on it and sell or keep (an never use inside MD) the original upper to use when out of state.

See Palmetto State Armory, they have uppers for around $300 at times, just make sure it is a bull barrel.

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dontpanic · Feb 9, 2017

weezy102 said:
Going off of this post a bit but similar question, does anyone know if POF rifles are md compliant? Specifically the puritan?

The 7.62 version is definitely legit. Not .223/5.56 is GTG according to a MSP response.

The gas piston version is probably legit. MSP has approved some gas piston rifles. This is probably legit. I would talk to my FFL about it if I was interested.

The DI model is definately not OK. Copy of a banned rifle. Barrel not marked or advertised as Heavy.

John from MD · Feb 9, 2017

The DI model is definately not OK. Copy of a banned rifle. Barrel not marked or advertised as Heavy.[/QUOTE]

Is this in a MSP interpretation somewhere? I understood if it was .750 or greater, it was considered a heavy barrel.

dontpanic · Feb 9, 2017

John from MD said:
The DI model is definately not OK. Copy of a banned rifle. Barrel not marked or advertised as Heavy.

Is this in a MSP interpretation somewhere? I understood if it was .750 or greater, it was considered a heavy barrel.[/QUOTE]

Yes that is from the MSP. There are plenty of barrels that are definately heavy that don't fit those guidelines.

The whole law is stupid, so what do you expect.

ken792 · Feb 9, 2017

jimbobborg said:
That rifle has a heavy barrel, but because S&W won't state that, it's not legal in Maryland. I'd suggest you swap the upper that has a barrel that specifically has HBAR on it, or don't move to Maryland.

It's not a heavy barrel. It doesn't have the little cut in front of the front sight, but it is skinny under the handguards, though not as skinny as an A2. One of my friends bought one earlier this year and I switched the handguards for him. It's definitely still skinny like the earlier generation Sport.

Here's a picture I found online.

Hawkeye · Feb 9, 2017

NewGuy202 said:
Just to clarify, if I swap the barrel out for one that say HBAR on it, it would be 100% legal to bring with me to Maryland if I move there? Even though the rest is a Copycat?

Yes. 100% legal.
AR-15s are banned by name in this state, unless they are an HBAR (which, according to MSP, means that they must be marked or advertised as such). So, if you put a barrel on that rifle that is either marked or advertised as "Heavy" or "HBAR" then it becomes a normal legal rifle, and you can move here and don't even have to register it.

As people have said, you can either remove and replace just the barrel, or you can swap the whole upper. A new barrel might be $150 plus the install cost, while a new upper might start at $300 for a decent one that's comparable to what you have now.

dontpanic · Feb 9, 2017

NewGuy202 said:
Just to clarify, if I swap the barrel out for one that say HBAR on it, it would be 100% legal to bring with me to Maryland if I move there? Even though the rest is a Copycat?

Just to clarify, your rifle is a copy of a banned assault long gun. Copycat is another thing all together.

A copcat is a semiauto magazine fed long gun <29" in length and/or having two or more of the following features.

Rocket launcher
Flash hider
Folding stock

Copycats are also banned

davsco · Feb 9, 2017

i'm certainly going to sleep better at night knowing the OP's barrel will be 1/8" wider and 2oz heavier!!! that clearly makes all the difference. potential horror story averted. so sorry for all you "free state" subjects, seriously.

OP not sure where you will be working, but if you can live in VA (or i guess PA) and schlep to work in MD, that would be a good "move," traffic and commuting notwithstanding.

NewGuy202 · Feb 9, 2017

Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it. If I end up moving to Maryland, I'll make sure to either swap out the barrel or the upper and make it an HBAR before the move.

DaemonAssassin · Feb 10, 2017

jimbobborg said:
That rifle has a heavy barrel, but because S&W won't state that, it's not legal in Maryland. I'd suggest you swap the upper that has a barrel that specifically has HBAR on it, or don't move to Maryland.

It is legal in MD. MSP is being arbitrary and capricious in their enforcement of FSA2013.

Legally, the AR does not have to be marked or advertised as an HBAR to be in accordance with the law. MSP issued that guidance in attempt to minimize the number of barrels that people would be willing to buy and cause fear in prospective buyers. It is a common tactic that they use to further restrict your rights, just like G&S.

jimbobborg · Feb 10, 2017

DaemonAssassin said:
It is legal in MD. MSP is being arbitrary and capricious in their enforcement of FSA2013.

Legally, the AR does not have to be marked or advertised as an HBAR to be in accordance with the law. MSP issued that guidance in attempt to minimize the number of barrels that people would be willing to buy and cause fear in prospective buyers. It is a common tactic that they use to further restrict your rights, just like G&S.

Neither of those restrict my rights, except when I have to sneak over the river into enemy territory :innocent0

lazarus · Feb 10, 2017

davsco said:
i'm certainly going to sleep better at night knowing the OP's barrel will be 1/8" wider and 2oz heavier!!! that clearly makes all the difference. potential horror story averted. so sorry for all you "free state" subjects, seriously.

OP not sure where you will be working, but if you can live in VA (or i guess PA) and schlep to work in MD, that would be a good "move," traffic and commuting notwithstanding.

I wish. Just compared to a medium weight, a 16" HBAR barrel is more like half a pound heavier and a 20" is close to a pound heavier. Make that about 16oz and 24oz respectively compared to a pencil profile barrel.

But yeah, stupid law is stupid. My biggest fear is they change it.

To all are banned. I'll keep the stupid crap rather than them getting intelligently stupid.

A word of warning, if you replace the barrel and especially if you replace the upper to an HBAR configuration, if you do not have a lower that is allowed to have a non-HBAR barrel on it (is YOU owned it prior to October 2013), do not keep the old barrel or upper. At least not in Maryland. Unlikely, but it is possible MD could hit you with constructive intent.

Vile Shadow · Feb 10, 2017

DaemonAssassin said:
It is legal in MD. MSP is being arbitrary and capricious in their enforcement of FSA2013.

Legally, the AR does not have to be marked or advertised as an HBAR to be in accordance with the law. MSP issued that guidance in attempt to minimize the number of barrels that people would be willing to buy and cause fear in prospective buyers. It is a common tactic that they use to further restrict your rights, just like G&S.

Ya can't be sayin' stuff like that. :nono:

The Maryland tradition of BGOS demands otherwise, despite you and I and all kinda other folks not bein' too damn stupid to know a heavy barrel when we see 'em. :rolleyes:

Pinecone · Feb 13, 2017

John from MD said:
Is this in a MSP interpretation somewhere? I understood if it was .750 or greater, it was considered a heavy barrel.

MSP says barrel marked or advertised as HBAR.

They have never said anything about diameter.

But one would think, it would be hard to get a conviction with a barrel that is larger than the Colt HBAR Match Sporter barrel.

But are you willing to be the test case?

boss281 · Jun 14, 2017

Bringing up the old thread: a friend (we're both MD residents) is interested in purchasing my Smith and Wesson M&P Sport 15, which is collecting dust in my gun safe. I bought it pre Oct 2013. I believe this model is banned for sale now. That said, if it was originally purchased pre-ban and I have the record, can I do an FFL transfer with the other MD resident?

erwos · Jun 14, 2017

boss281 said:
Bringing up the old thread: a friend (we're both MD residents) is interested in purchasing my Smith and Wesson M&P Sport 15, which is collecting dust in my gun safe. I bought it pre Oct 2013. I believe this model is banned for sale now. That said, if it was originally purchased pre-ban and I have the record, can I do an FFL transfer with the other MD resident?

No.

lazarus · Jun 14, 2017

never mind, irrelevant reply

Hawkeye · Jun 15, 2017

boss281 said:
Bringing up the old thread: a friend (we're both MD residents) is interested in purchasing my Smith and Wesson M&P Sport 15, which is collecting dust in my gun safe. I bought it pre Oct 2013. I believe this model is banned for sale now. That said, if it was originally purchased pre-ban and I have the record, can I do an FFL transfer with the other MD resident?

If it's banned for sale now, you may not transfer it to another MD resident except by inheritance upon your death.

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