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Old June 13th, 2018, 05:16 PM #41
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that's because us peasants have to work and have families to take care of. also not everyone has the luxury of being retired. plus I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.
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All I know is, thank God somebody stepped-up to protect gun owners from a bakers dozen of fat chicks in yoga pants, wallering-around on the Capitol Lawn pretending to be dead.
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The infighting and bickering over people that can't attend is showing we as a community are fractured. We need to stop the guilt trips and shaming of others that are unable to attend. We should be more understanding as to WHY those people are not able to attend, instead of shaming, guilt trips, and other negative responses. No one organization has a monopoly on activism in MD.

We are a community. We need to start acting like it.
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All I know is, thank God somebody stepped-up to protect gun owners from a bakers dozen of fat chicks in yoga pants, wallering-around on the Capitol Lawn pretending to be dead.


Yeah, we all know that fat chicks in yoga pants and funny looking state senators with bad porn star moustaches don't ever get bad legislation passed.


And former English teachers with bad leg tattoos don't help to get bump stocks banned and Red Flag bills passed in MD, that could never happen.


How silly to stand up to these types of folks, they're harmless...
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... I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.
Just doesn’t get it. The PP doesn’t Protest. They are advocates for the rights enjoyed by the People - even those naive enough to think lunch is free.
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that's because us peasants have to work and have families to take care of. also not everyone has the luxury of being retired. plus I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.
I'll attempt to make it not ironic, tone it down civil as I know how, that many gun owners find much of this sign waving and repetitive media engineering has no efficacy, and some (Hickock45) view it as counter productive. Now those that wave the signs and have conversations will never be convinced it doesn't work, nor the ones not showing up be convinced it's nothing but a spectacle. The numbers attending speak for itself. It's a free country, knock yourself out, but all the self promotion and thread bumps becomes a turn off to many.

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Lot of members here write fat checks for 2A legal work, which in my opinion is about the only productive venue for 2A rights considering Maryland legislature, and they do so w/o asking for a pat on the back. Members take time to train children and teens every weekend without asking for applause. I was at an event a week ago with many first time shooters (many older than late 40's) and an IP Gun Store owner here brought firearms to use, helping new shooters. Some other experienced shooters were doing RSO for the day. Why are some so adamant members must have a public CV of their 2A creds?

Right from the get go yesterday, you have a few middle to upper age adults pitting themselves against High School kids? Punching down isn't very conducive for gaining support. There were hardly any kids there anyway. They'd have gotten less attention than they did if there wasn't a side show. Teens see the uninvited presence as a catalyst to keep complaining, not stop. Many teens are probably now realizing they're jumping the shark or just bored with it about now, and went to see the Caps parade instead.

We've seen the SOS time after time. Big gun massacre and the gun control side gets traction. The FL kids to their credit, did a good marketing job at the opportune time. Appears to me, until another massacre, their traction has dropped immensely just as other epidemic gun control periods around shootings have in time.
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I'll attempt to make it not ironic, tone it down civil as I know how, that many gun owners find much of this sign waving and repetitive media engineering has no efficacy, and some (Hickock45) view it as counter productive. Now those that wave the signs and have conversations will never be convinced it doesn't work, nor the ones not showing up be convinced it's nothing but a spectacle. The numbers attending speak for itself. It's a free country, knock yourself out, but all the self promotion and thread bumps becomes a turn off to many.



.. and I was dinged for being subtle?


Lot of members here write fat checks for 2A legal work, which in my opinion is about the only productive venue for 2A rights considering Maryland legislature, and they do so w/o asking for a pat on the back. Members take time to train children and teens every weekend without asking for applause. I was at an event a week ago with many first time shooters (many older than late 40's) and an IP Gun Store owner here brought firearms to use, helping new shooters. Some other experienced shooters were doing RSO for the day. Why are some so adamant members must have a public CV of their 2A creds?

Right from the get go yesterday, you have a few middle to upper age adults pitting themselves against High School kids? Punching down isn't very conducive for gaining support. There were hardly any kids there anyway. They'd have gotten less attention than they did if there wasn't a side show. Teens see the uninvited presence as a catalyst to keep complaining, not stop. Many teens are probably now realizing they're jumping the shark or just bored with it about now, and went to see the Caps parade instead.

We've seen the SOS time after time. Big gun massacre and the gun control side gets traction. The FL kids to their credit, did a good marketing job at the opportune time. Appears to me, until another massacre, their traction has dropped immensely just as other epidemic gun control periods around shootings have in time.


What makes you think that those of us bohemians who wave signs and have conversations don't also stroke large checks to 2A organizations?

Not everyone here has the disposable income that you or I might have and also might not have your view on the efficacy of sign waving or engaging the other side. When I want a decent review of a new pistol I might check in on Hickock 45 but as a YouTube gun reviewer he would not be the first person that I would look to for tips on activism. YMMV

Many of us who attend PP events also mentor new shooters and there are multiple threads here on MDS that document just that and oftentimes not. Believe me when I say that you don't own that avenue.

If you think that yesterday's event was all teenagers all the time you couldn't be more wrong. While the yutes were trotted out as the face of the die in old farts like you were pulling the strings and manning the checkbooks.

You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the PP, I get that. You think holding a sign or an American flag is a waste of time and that's your right to think that way. Why you think it's acceptable to crap in the threads of those that do is what I don't get. Don't like it, start your own check writing thread where you post up some real time of you stroking those big ones to the SAF or the NRA. I promise I won't come into it and tell you all the D legislators the NRA supports.

Post up some pics of your next Appleseed event and I swear I won't come into it and talk about peer pressure and how these youth are just going to be brainwashed in the public schools so why bother.

What amazes me is that in a thread about roasted swine a few members post up why they are not going to attend and it's equal to sacrilege but people are free to lambast the PP and other activism threads as "stupid", "lame brained", "going to get people hurt" and on and on and that's acceptable.
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You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the PP, I get that. You think holding a sign or an American flag is a waste of time and that's your right to think that way. Why you think it's acceptable to crap in the threads of those that do is what I don't get.
A lot of us don't like the organization, because of how it treats people that don't conform to what the organization wants. Furthermore, when somebody voices any kind of dissent, the leadership takes it as a personal offense and reacts in a heavy handed manner, instead of doing outreach to see what can be done to mitigate issues or attempt to bridge a gap. But instead they choose to burn bridges with people that are willing to help, but can't at a current moment in time or have valid concerns.


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Post up some pics of your next Appleseed event and I swear I won't come into it and talk about peer pressure and how these youth are just going to be brainwashed in the public schools so why bother.
You won't go in there because it diesn't advance the organiztion at all, therefore it really isn't on your radar screen, unless there is a vendetta that members of the organization have against specific members.

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What amazes me is that in a thread about roasted swine a few members post up why they are not going to attend and it's equal to sacrilege but people are free to lambast the PP and other activism threads as "stupid", "lame brained", "going to get people hurt" and on and on and that's acceptable.
And this is twisting the narrative at it's finest. The pig roast was held at a private establishment and the owner said NO FIREARMS, which they are well within their right to do so. People voiced their dissent and there was a cleanup in the thread by management. Stop trying to compare purple to potatoes.

People don't lambast the organization, they call it out for the lunacy that it is pulling and the actions of the leadership of the organization. This has an easy solution for MDS and the PP. PP has to do outreach and be willing to engage people in civil discussions about why they have issues, instead of taking personal offense, as if they are being attacked. But over time, I have seen that the leadership is unwilling to speak to fellow MDS members to discuss concerns, without twisting the truth or selectively posting things to make the organization look good to those that don't keep track of how the leadership treats people.

If you don't engage those of us you say are your fellow MDS members and friends, to help resolve the concerns we may have as individuals that might be on the fence about helping, you will lose more prospective members of the PP than you will ever know. Part of activism is outreach and being diplomatic, even in the face of absurdity, lunacy, and ignorance. Without that, the organization can not grow to be a force to be reckoned with.

The organization is now at a turning point. It can either perform outreach with member of MDS that are on the fence and/or have concerns/issues, or it can push those people away and wither on the vine.

The choice now belongs to the leadership. Choose wisely.
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