How many 10/22 extractors does it take to solve stovepiping?

lazarus · Apr 13, 2017

I hope only 3.

Out of the box my 10/22 stove piped uncommonly. Maybe 1 in 50. It got worse to 1:10.

I got a power custom Ti extractor. It increased to 1:5.

I just installed a Volquartsen edge extractor. I am hoping it solves the issues.

My notes. The stock extractor was significantly blunted and rounded off. It looked kind of like a manufacturing defect.

The power custom Ti extractor upon removal looks like it was grabbing the case too far up the case by about half a millimeter. Using an empty casing sitting on the bolt face it was hard to hold the bolt up by the casing.

With the Volquartsen extractor installed the extractor lip sits right on the case rim and I can hold up the bolt by the casing easily (so long as I don't start getting crazy with it).

Dimensionally the powercustom Ti and Volquartsen edge extractors appear the same, except at the rear pivot point. The face of that appear perfectly parallel to the extractor claw. On the PC, it is angled slightly. I think that is accounting for the issues in holding the casing. I may try to fix the PC extractor at some point. Maybe.

Fingers crossed this fixed the issue.

Because stovepiping issues have been my only complaint with this 10/22. Most bulk ammo it shoots 2" groups at 50yds. It can shoot 1.5" groups (10 round groups) with minimags velocitors and a couple of target ammos. With a powercustom target hammer in there my group sizes have dropped about a quarter inch.

Eventually I am sure I'll get a target barrel also and a different stock (probably the walnut one).

LONGSHOT · Apr 13, 2017

lazarus said:
I hope only 3.

Out of the box my 10/22 stove piped uncommonly. Maybe 1 in 50. It got worse to 1:10.

I got a power custom Ti extractor. It increased to 1:5.

I just installed a Volquartsen edge extractor. I am hoping it solves the issues.

My notes. The stock extractor was significantly blunted and rounded off. It looked kind of like a manufacturing defect.

The power custom Ti extractor upon removal looks like it was grabbing the case too far up the case by about half a millimeter. Using an empty casing sitting on the bolt face it was hard to hold the bolt up by the casing.

With the Volquartsen extractor installed the extractor lip sits right on the case rim and I can hold up the bolt by the casing easily (so long as I don't start getting crazy with it).

Dimensionally the powercustom Ti and Volquartsen edge extractors appear the same, except at the rear pivot point. The face of that appear perfectly parallel to the extractor claw. On the PC, it is angled slightly. I think that is accounting for the issues in holding the casing. I may try to fix the PC extractor at some point. Maybe.

Fingers crossed this fixed the issue.

Because stovepiping issues have been my only complaint with this 10/22. Most bulk ammo it shoots 2" groups at 50yds. It can shoot 1.5" groups (10 round groups) with minimags velocitors and a couple of target ammos. With a powercustom target hammer in there my group sizes have dropped about a quarter inch.

Eventually I am sure I'll get a target barrel also and a different stock (probably the walnut one).

i had the same with mine,it was the ejector was bent.

gizzard · Apr 13, 2017

mine was reliable, but not really all that accurate. replaced it with a henry lever, it is a tack driver. i10/22 was not reliable with hi-cap mags

Semper Noctem · Apr 13, 2017

Tell us about the ammo you are using.

TapRackBang · Apr 13, 2017

Semper Noctem said:
Tell us about the ammo you are using.

This. My pre-Panic 10/22 "tactical" has been completely reliable with Winchester white box copper-plated HP ammo. I think I've recorded two FTE's in over 1000 rounds.

I just bought a Takedown from Engage so as soon as I get to the range I'll be able to tell if anything has changed in post-Panic manufacturing.

lazarus · Apr 13, 2017

Federal automatch, Aguila SE, high velocity and rifle match, CCI quiets, minimags, standard velocity and velocitors, Winchester HV, Armscor HV.

The CCI has only had 1 stove pipe and I don't think any for the Aguila. However I've put at most 30rnds of Aguila and 60 or 70 of CCI through it in total. Just testing accuracy with them.

I've put 325 of federal auto match through it. 300 of Winchester HV and 200 of Armscor.

Oh at least a 50rnd box or two of Federal gameshok 40gr (which also had at least a couple of stove pipes).

Maybe 1000rnds in total so far over 5 or 6 range trips since I bought the rifle this past July 4th.

No difference in function between any of the 3 Ruger 10 round mags or the 3 25rnd mags.

photoracer · Apr 14, 2017

While a Henry is a fine levergun a 10/22 only needs a barrel change to smoke one when it comes to accuracy (although some are pretty accurate stock).

38super · Apr 14, 2017

Never had any issues with my 10/22 unless I was shooting any type Remington 22 ammo. I bought my 10/22 new 20 years ago though. I helped someone take apart a newer ruger 10/22 to clean and it was crudely made. The trigger group was plastic and when I removed the gun from the stock the pins just "fell out". My older ruger you have to push them out with a punch.

240 towles · Apr 15, 2017

Ejector bent, disassemble, gently tap/bend the ejector tip with pliers and a hammer to the right if the ejector is facing away from you, be careful, I believe the part is hardened and thus prone to cracking if you apply to much pressure at once.

240 towles · Apr 15, 2017

about 1mm difference will F up the gun, never saw it happen until I bought my 4th used 10/22.

doggyjacket · Apr 15, 2017

I had the same issue with mine. A VQ extractor did not fix it. Still get something like 1 or 2 out of every BX-25. I wish I had just sent it back to Ruger when I first had the problem. Lots of people have said that it has fixed their problem completely or gotten then a new gun without the stovepiping issues. I guess I could make it stock and send it back but I keep thinking that with more rounds, it'll get better since both the gun and mags are pretty new.

And FYI, Federal Automatch is just about the worst ammo for it. I tried about 10 different types and it was by far the worst even over dirty rounds like Remingtons or Golden Bullets. It even has issues in my RAR. I just don't buy it anymore. For cheap ammo, I've found American Eagle 22lr does really well in both my Rugers.

John from MD · Apr 15, 2017

Change out the recoil spring assembly. Sometimes you get a spring out of spec and it changes the bolt velocity which will cause stove piping.

Pinecone · Apr 15, 2017

Hmm, out of the box issues?

I call Ruger and send it back to them to fix.

boatbod · Apr 26, 2017

Long ago I did my own extractor work on my 10/22. As I recall, I heated and reshaped the extractor so it would hold an empty casing on the bolt face without letting it slip off. After I finished peening, filing and otherwise adjusting the shape of the hook I re-heated and re-hardened it. Cost nothing but time, and the end result was no stove pipes.

Tungsten · Apr 26, 2017

doggyjacket said:
And FYI, Federal Automatch is just about the worst ammo for it.

Fed Automatch is best in mine. I tried about 10 different types of Eley, CCI, Remingon and Federal. Automatch was most accurate and I've no failures to extract.
.22s tend to be finicky so you have to find what works best in yours, but many people have had great results with Automatch.

John from MD · Apr 26, 2017

boatbod said:
Long ago I did my own extractor work on my 10/22. As I recall, I heated and reshaped the extractor so it would hold an empty casing on the bolt face without letting it slip off. After I finished peening, filing and otherwise adjusting the shape of the hook I re-heated and re-hardened it. Cost nothing but time, and the end result was no stove pipes.

That was pretty much the way it was done before Volquartsen and others started making them. I seem to remember they worked better too. :lol:

boatbod · Apr 27, 2017

John from MD said:
That was pretty much the way it was done before Volquartsen and others started making them. I seem to remember they worked better too.

Thanks to manufacturing tolerances, you'll always get a better job custom fitting the extractor (assuming you are halfway competent with hand tools) vs buying one off the shelf.

lazarus · May 29, 2017

The answer is, I don't know. The Volquartsen extractor has taken it to about 1:40 to 1:50 range for stove pipes. Shot about 140-160rnds, had 3 stove pipes. All HV ammo.

I'll take it.

eightshot627 · May 30, 2017

Pull the barrel and polish the chamber. I used an old cleaning rod and a wore out brush with a patch with Flitz on it chucked up in my cordless drill. The Midway barrel when from 1 out of 100 to zero.

lazarus · May 30, 2017

eightshot627 said:
Pull the barrel and polish the chamber. I used an old cleaning rod and a wore out brush with a patch with Flitz on it chucked up in my cordless drill. The Midway barrel when from 1 out of 100 to zero.

I'll give that a try. Thanks.

Actually I did something similar on my old Winchester 370 20ga. I'd get 1 in 30 stuck shells in the chamber. Some 000 steel wool on my drill for a minutes at high speed and I haven't had a stuck shell since (maybe 200rnds since?)

How many 10/22 extractors does it take to solve stovepiping?

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