BossmanPJ
Ultimate Member
I have a couple buddies that work on APG. The coyotes are definitely there. They are also in the rising sun and Conowingo area.
Crop Damage permit reasoning
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I have a couple buddies that work on APG. The coyotes are definitely there. They are also in the rising sun and Conowingo area.
Doco Overboard
Ultimate Member
Going to start looking harder at the dead deer carcasses we and others are finding ( have found). I think its weird that nothing will feed on the remains in some instances. I suspect there is already one or more ways the deer herd is being culled in some areas.
In my 60 years I have noticed no such "evolution". Deer have always been nocturnal for the most part. If anything I have seen more activity in the daytime in suburban and urban locations where they have no threats.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,963
Yes. It's a pressure thing, mostly. When man first started tree stand hunting deer, deer never looked up(they had no predation from above). Now all deer look up. It's learned. Yearlings never look up. They haven't learned that the scent of humans is a danger sign yet. Once they learn that, they start looking up(from where the human scent is coming). I notice this year after year.
Deer have four periods of activity(feeding) per day. Two major, two minor. The timing is governed mostly by moon position. Weather will often change their pattern in extreme cases(i.e. storms and such).
- Aug 24, 2013
- 122
Lol. How many times have I heard that. These same people don't have time to pick up a deer that I have shot and is waiting for them.
Il tell you why we have crop damage permits and now certified cooperator permits where you can shoot at night with rifles and silencers.
Worthless hunters.
Smart hunters that only shoot horns and loads of idiot hunters that would shoot anything. But see nothing because they just drove a pickup into a field and then drove a 4wheeler and parked it next to the tree stand. Then blame the farmer for shooting a few deer on a permit.
Farmers have a small voice in getting these changes imemented. Car insurance lobbyists are what make these things happen.
kalister1
R.I.P.
The Automobile, the natural predator of Whitetail deer. Sometimes see more deer dead on the side of the road than alive in the woods.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,963
You're probably right.
As for shooting horns. Next year I go back to shooting does again. The county-hired doe killers adjacent to my hunting property are finally gone(for 1 1/2 years now) and the does are beginning to come back to shootable numbers. I prefer to take one or two bucks and 4-? does a year. I don't mind chewing on a tough old buck, but most of the people I give my deer to prefer nice tender does.
- Aug 24, 2013
- 122
6 deer is a drop in the bucket when you are dealing with massive deer damage.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,963
Like I said, the numbers where I hunt have been ravaged by year-long culling. Before that, I alone was pulling 9-15 deer out a season. There was no FHFH for me to donate to. I had to find homes for every deer I shot. The piece I hunt is only 40-50 acres(mostly field), surrounded by very low hunting pressure now that they stopped culling. Killing deer on every outing would just result in pushing the deer off 'my' property, onto other properties that, for the most part, aren't really being hunted.
What would you suggest?
Also, some of the blame falls on the landowners as well, taking into consideration that deer hunters can be their own worst enemies at times.
- Feb 2, 2016
- 2,476
Delighted to help w/ your deer problem
I live in So MD. Responsibly hunted for over 40 years and respect the land. I would be delighted to help a neighbor w/ their deer problem. PM me if interested.
I live in So MD. Responsibly hunted for over 40 years and respect the land. I would be delighted to help a neighbor w/ their deer problem. PM me if interested.
foxtrapper
Ultimate Member
I hear APG is thick with them, and have never seen a trapper before lol. Coyotes are all over Harford county. I've only ever caught 1, they are slick.
To put a shout out, if anyone has or knows someone with a furbearer problem keep me in mind for next season. I need it to be close, like HdG, Perryville, Aberdeen, Darlington, maybe Churchville. I REALLY want a place to water trap, even a smaller stream with mink in it will do. But if there are beaver and otter too, I will be in heaven.
As to deer, yes they look up lol. I meat hunt, but if I had been hunting one Monday 2 seasons ago instead of acting like I'd see nothing and what's the point, I could have taken an 8 pointer. Taking an antlered deer is my next excitement goal.
I can't believe that any farmer in MD would have a problem finding hunters to take out deer on their crop damage permit. I'd think you'd be overrun with folks.
Granted, it may take some 'management' to deal with a decent number of hunters, but there is certainly demand for deer and decent places to hunt.
For what its worth, I'm in southern Anne Arundel, and Calvert is more than close enough. I've been a Maryland hunter since 1996, and before that, Virginia. I'm ethical, safe, and understand farms (Lived on a large dairy for 5 years). I'm not interested in horns, just meat on the table, and I could probably use 5 deer per year. I would definitely prefer to do any hunting in the cooler months to ensure I can deal with the meat (I.e., lets plan on dealing with your problem now, and year round, rather then in August).
PM me if interested. I 'd be happy to come out and meet you.
Brent
Granted, it may take some 'management' to deal with a decent number of hunters, but there is certainly demand for deer and decent places to hunt.
For what its worth, I'm in southern Anne Arundel, and Calvert is more than close enough. I've been a Maryland hunter since 1996, and before that, Virginia. I'm ethical, safe, and understand farms (Lived on a large dairy for 5 years). I'm not interested in horns, just meat on the table, and I could probably use 5 deer per year. I would definitely prefer to do any hunting in the cooler months to ensure I can deal with the meat (I.e., lets plan on dealing with your problem now, and year round, rather then in August).
PM me if interested. I 'd be happy to come out and meet you.
Brent
They need to stop charging me $3500 a year for the 60 acre lease that they crop damage hunt all year and maybe the hunters will be willing to help out. As far as night using a rifle/suppressor (its not a silencer) goes I was under the impression that DNR (info from DNR) does not permit that unless its a special circumstance which has happened once in the last 10 years and if you are using a rifle for DMP in a non rifle county that is a big no under the regs.
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Well I might as well give up on that lease now that SB747 is dead. Liberalizing legal jack lighting by DMP holders.
My understanding about night shooting and using silencers in this area is done on Federal land (think Naval Academy, Fort Meade, NIH, etc.) by employees of Fish and Wildlife. Maryland may have similar system for state parks or areas that are overrun and unable to be hunted due to too many regulations. But I could be wrong...
As far as people volunteering to shoot deer for farmers on permits, the permit is good for a year starting at the beginning of March until the end of February and you need to have the names of people doing the shooting to be listed on the permit and their dnr# and you cannot change or add any until you reapply at the end of February.
As far as people volunteering to shoot deer for farmers on permits, the permit is good for a year starting at the beginning of March until the end of February and you need to have the names of people doing the shooting to be listed on the permit and their dnr# and you cannot change or add any until you reapply at the end of February.
You may be right, but my offer was earnest. The number of hunters and the area of huntable land are both decreasing.
I'd love to have a farmer/hunter work with me to teach good hunting management. To be honest, I'm a former city boy who moved to the county and is trying to teach himself. But its hard to even find a farmer to talk with, let alone one who doesn't already lease his land.
I've had success and practiced good hunting on one friends land, and hope to continue, but its tough when I'm treated like an outsider. Please try to work with us instead of criticize. If not, hunting has little chance in the future.
- Jul 29, 2014
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For the record, I think most of the 'volunteers' here are more interested in "in season" hunting. That would only require an Md hunting license including required stamps. For those seeking crop damage-out of season hunting, then yes, they'll need to be on the permit by name(unless this has changed since I last did CD work).
How would that work for someone like me, who is interested in getting 2-3 deer a year, as that's what my family can eat. Would I want to promise the farmer a number of additional deer to be taken and donated? Or a set number of days per month to be there hunting?
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
lol - one of the guys I used to hunt with is probably responsible for that proliferation of deer at Antietam. This was about a decade ago and the guy would show me 100+ deer coming to his feeder and he would always kill a monster buck. His farm was right off of route 34.
Once upon a time, I would go days without seeing a deer while out hunting. Then, a decade went by and it would be rare for me to go a day without seeing a deer. Then, another decade went by and it would be rare for me to come home without killing at least a couple deer.
I hunted on a farm in Boonsboro that had a crop damage permit. There were a ton of deer on that farm.
As Washington County gets more and more developed like Montgomery, Howard, PG, and Frederick, the deer problem will get worse and worse. Believe Howard County had something like 1,300 deer/car collisions last year.
Now, what is a manageable sized herd? One that does not starve to death over the winter. One that does not have 100+ deer in it that wipes out corn fields and soybean fields. The farm I hunt here in Howard County, not a single soybean plant is untouched on 80 planted acres. I can drive by the field and see all the tops eaten off of the plants.
So, the question remains, what is the proper herd size, management technique, and management purpose? Do we want to manage the herd for hunting purposes, for agricultural purposes, for safety (e.g., deer.car collisions, Lyme disease) purposes? Depends on what the overall goal is.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
You and 44man need to meet the right hunters/killers. I know 44man has pretty much the same gripe as you when it comes to "hunters". The problem is finding the good ones. Once you find the good ones and establish a relationship, then things change. However, it takes effort on both parties. You have to be willing to meet with these people before hunting season and explain to them what you expect from them and that they will not be allowed to hunt there if they do not meet those expectations. If you guys were within an hour's drive of me, I would promise you some help, but with my schedule being so busy with work and the kids, making that drive on a consistent basis just isn't going to happen until my 5 year old gets a little older. At that point, I'd have the ability to provide 3 deer hunters on a regular basis, weekends permitting.
Inigoes is a good guy and I am pretty sure he would be able to help down that way.
