MSP being ridiculous about my CCW app.
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- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
Reads like they have a team in place to deflect all arguments. I'm sure they've heard them all. I'd be looking for an attorney with a degree from American Samoa for some entertainment value in the least.
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
My informal review took place over the telephone and I can assure you it was not with the Secretary of the MSP. After my informal review, I applied for a formal review. My formal review took place almost a year later. I was not informed about my formal review until after it was over and I got my final denial letter.
very similar to mine. My informal was in person but just with a regular trooper. Requested formal, never got an answer and almost a year later the denial letter.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
Wow, I know that the MSP's actual process hasn't been what we'd like to see, or even what seems reasonable or compliant under the statute and regulations, but both of you guys were entitled to a decision from the Board within 90 days of requesting a review (after your informal), and should have been given prior notice and an opportunity to be heard. 
I suppose with the Woollard appeal pending it made sense for all to hold on for the outcome, but you still should have gotten the option to appear and make your case - not just the old heave ho - no G&S for you!
I have my own issue(s) with how a pending application is being treated, but I won't elaborate until I know how things actually go.
I suppose with the Woollard appeal pending it made sense for all to hold on for the outcome, but you still should have gotten the option to appear and make your case - not just the old heave ho - no G&S for you!I have my own issue(s) with how a pending application is being treated, but I won't elaborate until I know how things actually go.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
Wow, I know that the MSP's actual process hasn't been what we'd like to see, or even what seems reasonable or compliant under the statute and regulations, but both of you guys were entitled to a decision from the Board within 90 days of requesting a review (after your informal), and should have been given prior notice and an opportunity to be heard.
I have my own issue(s) with how my pending application is being treated, but I won't elaborate until I know how things actually go.
You may be taking Maryland statutes too literal. I testified in a civil case, and the last day of that hearing was Oct 16, 2014. Rules read a decision is required in 90 days. Today is day 166 , nothing yet.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
I testified as an expect in federal court case in 1997. 5 day trial jury and decision on a Friday afternoon, just so all could go home. Bad decision all around. For better or worse, when I left that company a year later the jury verdict had still not been entered on the record by the federal judge and neither side could advance collection efforts or an appeal.
I am not sure it ever was.Deadlines become mere guidelines in statutes if the administration lacks resources to make it actually happen. The exception is, of course, when you as the plaintiff or applicant must meet a deadline as a precondition and fail to do so - then the draconian hammer comes down. Holding the government accountable to meet its own deadlines - not so much.
Frankly, no matter how much is dedicated in resources the bureaucracy itself will generally prevent the deadlines from being met.
Anyway, it's not the deadline I was complaining about so much above, as the fact that the MSP through the HGPRB just cast the applicants aside as if the process didn't matter. No notice. No public hearing with opportunity to be heard. Just a denial letter as an after thought.
I am going to insist that my denial be by the book, and well documented.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,225
Says hold a hearing OR review the record. It's their choice , not yours.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
Exactly, that's why I said "should have been." How convenient that your fundamental right can be denied without so much as the courtesy of prior notice and a fifteen minute hearing to be heard
I have been in contact with several people over the last 24 hrs. I deeply appreciate all of the support offered here and from other sources. I have a plan in place which begins with an informal review. I have initiated that process and will keep all updated of any developments regarding this gross and inconsistent denial of OUR rights. Thanks again!
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
Better call Saul
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
mxrider
Former MSI Treasurer
Still waiting on the response from my request for an informal review.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
It's like the 1960's when you'd send a buck and boxtops for a decoder ring. If lucky, it would show up in three months..
I received a call today to schedule my informal review.....by the same Sgt. that recommended my application be denied.
I told him I would get back in touch and he recommended I reply via email. I did so and ask that he assign my review to someone other than himself. We will see.
I told him I would get back in touch and he recommended I reply via email. I did so and ask that he assign my review to someone other than himself. We will see.
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