Virginia circling the drain

MigraineMan · Jun 17, 2019

rascal said:
FYI the SCOTUS decision released today will almost certainly result in a Democrat controlled State Assembly in Virginia. The entire assembly is up for reelection this November.

Alito's dissent is pretty crappy.

... First, because Virginia law does not authorize the House to defend the invalidated redistricting plan on behalf of the Commonwealth, and, second, because the imposition of the District Court’s districting plan would not cause the House the kind of harm required by Article III of the Constitution. I am convinced that the second holding is wrong and therefore will not address the first.

bluedog46 · Jul 4, 2019

They are licking their chops over getting both chambers of the legislature. this is what happens when too many yankees move south because how bad they make their states and bring their voting patterns with them. Freaking morons. happened in Delaware, maryland, now virginia, north carolina and florida are pretty close as well as Georgia and poss texas the way some groups are reproducing and arizona. civil war is inevitable.

namrelio · Jul 5, 2019

bluedog46 said:
They are licking their chops over getting both chambers of the legislature. this is what happens when too many yankees move south because how bad they make their states and bring their voting patterns with them. Freaking morons. happened in Delaware, maryland, now virginia, north carolina and florida are pretty close as well as Georgia and poss texas the way some groups are reproducing and arizona. civil war is inevitable.

You may be right but its hard for me to believe that Yankees, like myself, that are fleeing a D state would move all the way down here just to pull the D lever again. I think the Rs are gaining from the moves. Its the VA cities that are just as screwed up as MD cities.

Anyway, Trump in 2020.

PapiBarcelona · Jul 5, 2019

I think no matter what Virginia is going to end up with incrementalism of "gun control" regardless.

Every year something gets passed until 5-10 years from now Evil Looking Guns are banned, HQL, 1 gun a month, 7 day wait, whatever else they can copy and paste from MD. LOL

sxs · Jul 5, 2019

i fear we underestimate how quickly the political situation can change. The whole issue has accelerated because of immense amounts of money spent by Bloomberg and Soros and their allies among others. On the gun issue, Bloomberg is outspending the NRA by himself and adding pressure on financial institutions and insurance companies who do business with them. Compound this with an NRA who has developed loose practices with the money coming in, they are set up for possible collapse. No other group can get up to speed quickly enough to take their place in the 2020 elections. If they topple, we might think back to the good ole days when our political fights on 2A were against a few proposed laws at a time compared to the flood about to come down. And that doesn't even speak to the possible flood of other laws that may come down to crush our constitutional republic.

PapiBarcelona · Jul 5, 2019

If I was a Virginia resident I'd worry the most about Shall Issue to May Issue flip. I don't think that's ever been done in any states yet?

That would suck ass the most

SWO Daddy · Jul 9, 2019

bluedog46 said:
They are licking their chops over getting both chambers of the legislature. this is what happens when too many yankees move south because how bad they make their states and bring their voting patterns with them. Freaking morons. happened in Delaware, maryland, now virginia, north carolina and florida are pretty close as well as Georgia and poss texas the way some groups are reproducing and arizona. civil war is inevitable.

Go to NoVa and it's not Yankee accents you'll hear, but Indian ones. Same difference, they are importing democrat voters.

SWO Daddy · Jul 9, 2019

sxs said:
i fear we underestimate how quickly the political situation can change. The whole issue has accelerated because of immense amounts of money spent by Bloomberg and Soros and their allies among others. On the gun issue, Bloomberg is outspending the NRA by himself and adding pressure on financial institutions and insurance companies who do business with them. Compound this with an NRA who has developed loose practices with the money coming in, they are set up for possible collapse. No other group can get up to speed quickly enough to take their place in the 2020 elections. If they topple, we might think back to the good ole days when our political fights on 2A were against a few proposed laws at a time compared to the flood about to come down. And that doesn't even speak to the possible flood of other laws that may come down to crush our constitutional republic.

This. Look at the proposed legislation. This is WORSE than anything in Maryland. All they need is to bribe a couple Republicans and this could be law in what was once a great state.

rascal · Jul 9, 2019

sxs said:
i fear we underestimate how quickly the political situation can change. The whole issue has accelerated because of immense amounts of money spent by Bloomberg and Soros and their allies among others. On the gun issue, Bloomberg is outspending the NRA by himself and adding pressure on financial institutions and insurance companies who do business with them. Compound this with an NRA who has developed loose practices with the money coming in, they are set up for possible collapse.

Agreed. But the real issue is that Bloomberg and Soros, and more and more active Democrat Party funders and bundlers have found that this issue, because it is the most partisan divide issue there is, is perfect to launder money through opaque tax exempt donor 501(c)4, and tax deductible 501(c3).

NRA is pulling a fraction of the shenanigans the other side gets away with they are just much more liable to be taken to task.

No other group can get up to speed quickly enough to take their place in the 2020 elections. If they topple, we might think back to the good ole days when our political fights on 2A were against a few proposed laws at a time compared to the flood about to come down. And that doesn't even speak to the possible flood of other laws that may come down to crush our constitutional republic.

We should also consider that other groups on our side (GOA, etc) also are not exactly transparent, and do not have the internal controls, or kind of board set ups that protect against problems either. GOA does not seem to use independent auditors, or have a board set up that reflects non profit best practices either.

rascal · Jul 9, 2019

SWO Daddy said:
This. Look at the proposed legislation. This is WORSE than anything in Maryland. All they need is to bribe a couple Republicans and this could be law in what was once a great state.

it isn't about Republicans in Virginia will do, but about how many Democrats there are and what they will do. Two decades ago Virginia had:
a) Less Democrat voters,
b) Less Democrat elected legislators in the state house
c) more Democrat voters who supported the Second Amendment
d) more Democrat elected officials who supported the Second Amendment.

bluedog46 said:
They are licking their chops over getting both chambers of the legislature. this is what happens when too many yankees move south because how bad they make their states and bring their voting patterns with them. Freaking morons. happened in Delaware, maryland, now virginia, north carolina and florida are pretty close as well as Georgia and poss texas the way some groups are reproducing and arizona. civil war is inevitable.

It isn't mostly Yankees. That is a factor but the most acute shift is growth of Hispanic voters. The data clearly show they are among the least likely to legally possess firearms, and have the lowest support for the Bill of Rights in general and the Second Amendment in particular. I don't agree with some of the prior comments concerning work ethic etc. On average these are high work ethic, no higher than average violence commission demographic. But this demographic is also markedly weak on support of the Second Amendment, and overwhelmingly Democrat aligned, esp. Hispanic women voters.

CrueChief · Jul 9, 2019

namrelio said:
You may be right but its hard for me to believe that Yankees, like myself, that are fleeing a D state would move all the way down here just to pull the D lever again. I think the Rs are gaining from the moves. Its the VA cities that are just as screwed up as MD cities.

Anyway, Trump in 2020.

Don't forget that the R's have moved left with the dems. And conservatism is hate speech.

davsco · Jul 9, 2019

f*** this sh1t pisses me off. zero is done about drunk and distracted driving deaths and injuries, but some moron happens to use a gun in a rampage and let's ban them all.

CrueChief · Jul 9, 2019

rascal said:
it isn't about Republicans in Virginia will do, but about how many Democrats there are and what they will do. Two decades ago Virginia had:
a) Less Democrat voters,
b) Less Democrat elected legislators in the state house
c) more Democrat voters who supported the Second Amendment
d) more Democrat elected officials who supported the Second Amendment.

It isn't mostly Yankees. That is a factor but the most acute shift is growth of Hispanic voters. The data clearly show they are among the least likely to legally possess firearms, and have the lowest support for the Bill of Rights in general and the Second Amendment in particular. I don't agree with some of the prior comments concerning work ethic etc. On average these are high work ethic, no higher than average violence commission demographic. But this demographic is also markedly weak on support of the Second Amendment, and overwhelmingly Democrat aligned, esp. Hispanic women voters.

This comes from the Socialist lite culture of latin america. Which is why all the progressives are pandering to them the way they are.

SWO Daddy · Jul 9, 2019

rascal said:
Agreed. But the real issue is that Bloomberg and Soros, and more and more active Democrat Party funders and bundlers have found that this issue, because it is the most partisan divide issue there is, is perfect to launder money through opaque tax exempt donor 501(c)4, and tax deductible 501(c3).

NRA is pulling a fraction of the shenanigans the other side gets away with they are just much more liable to be taken to task.

We should also consider that other groups on our side (GOA, etc) also are not exactly transparent, and do not have the internal controls, or kind of board set ups that protect against problems either. GOA does not seem to use independent auditors, or have a board set up that reflects non profit best practices either.

GOA is a clownshoes organization that's playing useful idiot to the left's concerted effort to implode the NRA.

AACO_Salami · Jul 9, 2019

Virginia is in big trouble, another potential retirement state off the list

DanGuy48 · Jul 9, 2019

Scott Taylor running for senate against Warner.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...tt-taylor-announces-us-senate-bid-in-virginia

MDFF2008 · Jul 9, 2019

davsco said:
f*** this sh1t pisses me off. zero is done about drunk and distracted driving deaths and injuries, but some moron happens to use a gun in a rampage and let's ban them all.

Really? Nothing is done about those? What about all the MADD campaigns? The cars paraded out to show the damage done by drunk driving? Implied consent laws for alcohol testing? Free cab rides on New Years? Sobriety checkpoints? Laws linking federal highway funding to having a drinking age of 21? Making texting and driving a primary traffic offense? The various campaigns designed to promote and educate people about the awareness of the dangers of texting and driving? Phones designed with "drive mode" to reduce distractions?

I think this is a really terrible argument that "Nothing" is done about drunk and distracted driving. A lot is done. The one thing that isn't done though is only a small fringe says "let's ban alcohol" or "let's ban cell phones."

The obvious other question; how many of those laws would you actually support being applied to 2A?

Alan3413 · Jul 9, 2019

A[Maryland]Farmer;5607716 said:
Virginia is in big trouble, another potential retirement state off the list

At this rate, NC isn't safe anymore. Maybe TN.

POP57 · Jul 9, 2019

if conservative folk keep moving of course each state will fall one by one....eventually. Just sayin'

Occam · Jul 9, 2019

POP57 said:
if conservative folk keep moving of course each state will fall one by one....eventually. Just sayin'

My take on it is they’re moving because the states they’re leaving have already fallen.

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