For those of you still supporting Larry Hogan for governor...

smokey · Jul 20, 2018

So is our side failing at courting Hogan and his staffers? It sure seems like he doesn't see any value in attempting to win 2a people this election. Why is that? Looking into this question may explain these kind of statements by him.

CrazySanMan · Jul 20, 2018

sgt23preston said:
No disrespect Stan, but since you live in Colorado now & have no stake in Merry-Land Election Outcomes, maybe you should stop trying to influence Merry-Land Voters to NOT VOTE FOR HOGAN...

The rest of us are stuck living here & have to make a choice between a RINO & a Socialist...

And in that card game a RINO beats a Socialist...

The Election could be very close & I'd like to be able to keep & shoot my guns for at least 4 more years...

My name's Dave, not Stan, but that doesn't matter. When people ask if I prefer Dave or David, I tell them I don't care, you can call me @sshole if you want to.

I have friends and family who live in Maryland and who will be directly impacted by this election. Bad laws that come out of Maryland embolden other states to pass similar bad laws. When you go to Annapolis and testify and hear the socialists on the other side of the desks talk among themselves, they are always interested in what New York and California did with similar laws. They all try to out-libtard each other, so what happens in Maryland is relevant nationwide. That is why I still write letters and make phone calls to Maryland politicians and why I care so much about what happens in Maryland.

Doing the same thing election after election, picking between only two candidates instead of picking the third party candidate who best represents you, is what made Maryland the Socialist state it is today. It's time to stand up and let the MDGOP know you're tired of the crap candidates they offer up and you won't support them until you get a better candidate.

"I'd like to keep and shoot my guns for 4 more years". With Hogan you will have less freedom to do that in 4 years than you do now. He's already proven he doesn't like guns and won't resist any bad gun control bills that come to his desk for signing, in fact he'll make a public spectacle out of the bill signing and will renounce the NRA and all it's members.

Go ahead, keep voting for the lesser of two evils. How has that worked out for you for your time in Maryland? For my 40+ years there is worked out very badly.

Jim12 · Jul 20, 2018

Muleskinner said:
Only if you don't care about your 2A rights and only if you have no principles. Again, Hogan can stop nothing that the general assembly wants to pass. A vote for him or a vote for jealous is exactly the same thing. At least I can sleep peacefully at night knowing I did not betray my own values.

Uh, no. Almost everybody here cares about 2A rights and the entire Bill of Rights. And a democratic, capitalist society. Today's Democrats, particularly in states like Maryland, put that into doubt. Their nomination of Ben Jealous for governor is Exibhibit 1.

As to voting, there's a world of difference between Hogan and Jealous on myriad issues, as many Democrats and independents will be only too happy to point out.

If Jealous wins in a nail biter because some 2A advocates stuck to their "principles," there will be hell to pay for all Marylanders, across the spectrum of rights. And in their wallets, too.

As a matter of fact and of principle.

iH8DemLibz · Jul 20, 2018

RE: Post #21.

Hogan's actions remind me of the auto accident vs. cost of a recall scene in Fight Club.

Calculate everything and determine which scenario will do less damage to his campaign.

Gun owners are clearly the unwanted cost of a recall.

EL1227 · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
If you are voting for Hogan you are not seeing the big picture. You're telling the MDGOP that you like Hogan-type candidates and you would like another sh!t sandwich in 2020. Vote for Craig or write-in "NO GUN GRABBERS" as your candidate for governor and you will tell the MDGOP that Hogan is NOT OK and you reject their sh!t sandwich, even if it has cheese on it.

Location: Colorful Colorado

There are other ways to 'tell the MDGOP that Hogan is NOT OK' ...

haoleboy · Jul 20, 2018

Why do so many on this board think that BJ will be so much worse than LH?
BJ could submit a high tax budget, but the MGA has to approve it right?
Who's to say that the MGA won't alter LH's budget to what BJ wanted. LH CANNOT stop them, and would he even try to? His signing the gun bills tells me he wouldn't try. He slapped us all in the face.
What ACTUAL power does LH have to stop the MGA??

With the way the MGA is set up, does it really matter who the MD Gov is? It could be Rocky and Bullwinkle and the MGA will continue to do what they want.

If LH had vetoed the gun bills, he would be getting my vote in Nov. Alas, he signed them with a smile on his face.

Sorry fellas, I cannot in good conscience, pull the lever for LH this Nov. I have to vote with my morals and values. :sad20:

CrazySanMan · Jul 20, 2018

EL1227 said:
Location: Colorful Colorado

EL1227 said:

You obviously didn't read my post #22...

EL1227 said:
There are other ways to 'tell the MDGOP that Hogan is NOT OK' ...

How, by voting for him? Twice? :lol2:

Or by attempting to silence anyone who speaks out against him? :sad20:

stringer bell · Jul 20, 2018

Not sure if I will be in country for the election but If so, I'll vote for the whomever is most likely to defeat Hogan. He has litterally done nothing for his base.

At least with an anti dem, they will push through something that may get reversed since the USSC since we have pretty much solidified the our position. That is most likely way change may occur in MD

If that doesn't happen, not really concerned as we as re buying a house in WV next year.

trickg · Jul 20, 2018

In regard to the headline, I think that people are forgetting that winning an election is about strategy. OF COURSE Hogan is going to say he'd reject an NRA endorsement! It's the only thing he CAN say when asked that kind of a question - he's a Republican candidate in a blue state. If he embraces the NRA, he's going to lose votes - period. He can't afford to lose many if he wants to win the election. If he says he'd accept an NRA endorsement, he'll get bludgeoned with that at every turn during the campaign.

For the ignorant out there on this site who think that everything is as simple as what you see on the surface, I pity you. Winning a political election these days, especially if you are a Republican in Maryland, is a chess game - there's much more to the strategy than what you see on the surface, and it's all being played 8-12 moves ahead of what you currently see. Just because that's what Hogan says doesn't necessarily mean that he's no friend to us or the 2nd Amendment. Right now, he can't show that he's pro-gun at all if he expects to win.

Ben Jealous will do NOTHING for us, and will be worse than Owe'Malley and Glendenning put together. Hogan was, and still is our best chance at making anything happen in this state. Let's get him into a second term so that he's no longer thinking about getting re-elected, and he can take the gloves off on some of the matters that affect us here on this board.

BeoBill · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
Why do you enjoy telling people what they think? Supporting Craig is NOT supporting Jealous.

Why do YOU enjoy telling people what they think? I notice you haven't said a word about the Colorado Communist Collective called "Denver".

And I can guarantee that if Hogan loses, you're going to see a LOT more pictures like this starting next year.

Think about it. Ammunition licensing (a la California and NJ) is next.

teratos · Jul 20, 2018

Muleskinner said:
Only if you don't care about your 2A rights and only if you have no principles. Again, Hogan can stop nothing that the general assembly wants to pass. A vote for him or a vote for jealous is exactly the same thing. At least I can sleep peacefully at night knowing I did not betray my own values.

Not blocking BJ is compromising your principles. Why fall on a grenade if you can keep it from being thrown in the first place?

CrazySanMan said:
If you are voting for Hogan you are not seeing the big picture. You're telling the MDGOP that you like Hogan-type candidates and you would like another sh!t sandwich in 2020. Vote for Craig or write-in "NO GUN GRABBERS" as your candidate for governor and you will tell the MDGOP that Hogan is NOT OK and you reject their sh!t sandwich, even if it has cheese on it.

You don't see the big picture in a realistic manner.

stringer bell said:
Not sure if I will be in country for the election but If so, I'll vote for the whomever is most likely to defeat Hogan.

Ben Jealous thanks your for your vote....

Art3 · Jul 20, 2018

I can't believe what I'm reading, and, honestly, wish I hadn't opened this thread. :sad20:

If I vote my conscience by writing in Charles Loller, when Gov. Jealous is pushing FSA2019 through the MGA and promising MD that it is just the beginning, can I take comfort in knowing that I voted with my heart? Does that absolve me of any responsibility for what happens afterwards? Will I have the satisfaction, when applying for the LQL or AQL, that I helped show Hogan the consequences of his actions? When it comes time to pin or hide my magazines, can I be thinking, "yeah, take that Larry!"

You just can't order filet mignon when the menu only offers a giant douche or turd sandwich. :sad20:

Occam · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
Why do you enjoy telling people what they think?

I get zero enjoyment out of watching 2A supporters say they want to act in a way that will help Jealous become governor.

Supporting Craig is NOT supporting Jealous.

In every single way that matters, yes, it is. Because the only thing that matters is that choosing to support a candidate that cannot possibly win means you're deliberately choosing to erode support for the only person that can prevent the socialist from winning. So, yeah, knowingly sending your vote into Craig oblivion is an assertive, deliberate act in support of a new Governor Ben Jealous, who thinks you should not be allowed to own a shotgun, and that you should be paying wildly more taxes in his sanctuary state nirvana. Voting for Craig is a deliberate vote for having a socialist gun grabber as your next governor.

CrazySanMan · Jul 20, 2018

Art3 said:
I can't believe what I'm reading, and, honestly, wish I hadn't opened this thread.

If I vote my conscience by writing in Charles Loller, when Gov. Jealous is pushing FSA2019 through the MGA and promising MD that it is just the beginning, can I take comfort in knowing that I voted with my heart? Does that absolve me of any responsibility for what happens afterwards? Will I have the satisfaction, when applying for the LQL or AQL, that I helped show Hogan the consequences of his actions? When it comes time to pin or hide my magazines, can I be thinking, "yeah, take that Larry!"

You just can't order filet mignon when the menu only offers a giant douche or turd sandwich.

How do you propose to change Maryland? Voting for the lesser of two evils has never worked, and never will. Hogan isn't even a speed bump in the road to gun confiscation in Maryland.

Occam · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
How do you propose to change Maryland? Voting for the lesser of two evils has never worked, and never will. Hogan isn't even a speed bump in the road to gun confiscation in Maryland.

Yes, he is, actually. Especially compared to Ben Jealous, who is by comparison a steep downhill on ramp. We have a chance, with a changing SCOTUS and the grinding wheels of litigation, to claw Maryland's gun laws back into sanity. It's going to take time. Hogan, at least, isn't running around with his hair on fire promising to do the sort of harm Jealous is. Buying a little more time before local gun dealers are run out of business, before people's collections are destroyed or their lives are wrecked with errant felony convictions for owning something they bought legally, is VITAL VITAL VITAL as all of this is positioned in advance of review by a friendlier SCOTUS.

Instead, we have a bunch of orthodox purists who would rather sacrifice all of us immediately on the altar of a shiny new socialist governor and his promised damage to us. It amazes me.

CrazySanMan · Jul 20, 2018

Occam said:
I get zero enjoyment out of watching 2A supporters say they want to act in a way that will help Jealous become governor.

In every single way that matters, yes, it is. Because the only thing that matters is that choosing to support a candidate that cannot possibly win means you're deliberately choosing to erode support for the only person that can prevent the socialist from winning. So, yeah, knowingly sending your vote into Craig oblivion is an assertive, deliberate act in support of a new Governor Ben Jealous, who thinks you should not be allowed to own a shotgun, and that you should be paying wildly more taxes in his sanctuary state nirvana. Voting for Craig is a deliberate vote for having a socialist gun grabber as your next governor.

First, I meant to type Quinn, not Craig. Wrong race. The bold statement is a strawman if I ever saw one. A vote for Quinn is not a deliberate act in support of Jealous. It's a vote for Quinn, the only 2A supporter in the election.

And the last line, the one in red, how does Hogan not fit into that statement?

trickg · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
How do you propose to change Maryland? Voting for the lesser of two evils has never worked, and never will. Hogan isn't even a speed bump in the road to gun confiscation in Maryland.

How do you think a candidate in Maryland is going to fare if they declare themselves to be openly in support of the 2nd Amendment and the NRA? Be honest when you ask yourself that question.

I mentioned in my post back a page that winning a gubernatorial election in the state of Maryland is next to impossible if you make any of those claims, because that candidate will be bludgeoned with that all through the campaign - here in Maryland, being pro-2A is not considered a good thing by the masses. The masses are asses, but that doesn't change the fact that a Republican candidate needs a bunch of them to swing their way if they expect to win.

Biggfoot44 · Jul 20, 2018

And voting for Hogan is a vote to have a gun grabbing Governor .

( And I'm a former Hogan apologist )

Occam · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
A vote for Quinn is not a deliberate act in support of Jealous. It's a vote for Quinn, the only 2A supporter in the election.

And since you know perfectly well he cannot and will not win, the vote that could have gone to the candidate that might be able to beat Jealous is NOT used that way, and you've simply nullified another's vote that might. Quinn has zero chance of winning. If you won't admit that out loud, at least admit it to yourself, and then face the consequences of having used a symbolic vote for him to boost the chances of us getting an aggressively anti-gun socialist. Or are you, honestly and really, entertaining the fantasy that Quinn will win in this deep blue state? Be honest.

And the last line, the one in red, how does Hogan not fit into that statement?

Because while he's no hard-right ideologue on most subjects, nor is he a socialist promising to jack up your taxes by double digits and asserting that you shouldn't really be allowed to own even a shotgun. Ask yourself to compare, for example, the makeup of the current HPRB (as appointed by Hogan) with what that would look like (if it even survived as an institution) under Jealous. Are you seriously going to pretend there would be no difference in matters like that? Be honest.

Jim12 · Jul 20, 2018

CrazySanMan said:
How do you propose to change Maryland? Voting for the lesser of two evils has never worked, and never will. Hogan isn't even a speed bump in the road to gun confiscation in Maryland.

Choosing the lesser of two evils has never worked and never will?

Never "worked" at what? It "works" every day under all kinds of circumstances, millions of times a day all around the world, when unpleasant choices are the only options.

It sounds nice as a mantra, but it's utter bullsh*t.

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