As they should.
There's NO paperwork required for a FTF long gun. I do a basic bill of sale for my own records just so I know what's what.
BGOS society members seem like they'd sure prefer it the other way though.....
Possible Straw Man Purchase Prevented
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There's NO paperwork required for a FTF long gun. I do a basic bill of sale for my own records just so I know what's what.
BGOS society members seem like they'd sure prefer it the other way though.....
That is what I do. I have my wife meet prospective FB Marketplace buyers and sellers there as well (for flea market/household items). I do go with her anyway when she goes there in evenings.
Combloc
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Everyone on this forum knows or should know that I'm an upstanding, honest and legit guy who always wants to do the right thing and follow the law. Having said that, in todays marylifornia anti-gun climate, I can think of no circumstance where I would agree to meet at a police barracks to do a transfer of an AR-15 from another individual. We just recently saw this tyrannical state try to pass legislation banning previously bought HBAR's thus making you a criminal for owning something you bought legally. The LAST thing I would want is to be on a government camera legally buying an AR so that they can possibly later use that footage to take it from me. Call me paranoid. I've done FTF AR-15 transfers with people on this forum who offered to sell it to me without an FFL involved if I had an HQL and I was fine with that. Their reasoning was that, if I had an HQL, I had gone through a background check already. If I didn't have an HQL, we could take it to an FFL where one would be initiated by filling out a 4473. That seems 100% reasonable to me. Meet at a polizei barracks to be filmed by the gestapo? No thanks.
IMBLITZVT
Ultimate Member
I did not read all the pages but back to OP.
Why would a random guy pretend to be the buyer? Why not just have the other guy be the buyer if it was a FTF? Did he have a "I am a felon" tatoo? Does not seem to make sense to me. The whole point of a Straw purchase is to have the legal person buy it for another FOR the back ground check. In this case, it would not seem to make any sense. If he was buying for someone else, why bring him? Why the fake purchaser on a FTF... does not seem to make sense but then again I was not there.
However I often go with people to look over a gun and tell them I approve the gun they are about to buy. Usually its pretty clear I am there for advice... but I could see how this could be mistaken.
A few more questions might have really gotten a clear answer. If he says, "I am good with it" and you snatch the rifle back and jet off... I can see him being a bit pissed. I mean he might have just driven an hour or more and wasted a friends time to have you ride off before getting more info... Now it might be just as you said, but to play Devil's advocate just based off what you posted, it sounds like you might have just been jumping the gun. After all how many straw purchases are there of ARs... mostly always handguns.
Why would a random guy pretend to be the buyer? Why not just have the other guy be the buyer if it was a FTF? Did he have a "I am a felon" tatoo? Does not seem to make sense to me. The whole point of a Straw purchase is to have the legal person buy it for another FOR the back ground check. In this case, it would not seem to make any sense. If he was buying for someone else, why bring him? Why the fake purchaser on a FTF... does not seem to make sense but then again I was not there.
However I often go with people to look over a gun and tell them I approve the gun they are about to buy. Usually its pretty clear I am there for advice... but I could see how this could be mistaken.
A few more questions might have really gotten a clear answer. If he says, "I am good with it" and you snatch the rifle back and jet off... I can see him being a bit pissed. I mean he might have just driven an hour or more and wasted a friends time to have you ride off before getting more info... Now it might be just as you said, but to play Devil's advocate just based off what you posted, it sounds like you might have just been jumping the gun. After all how many straw purchases are there of ARs... mostly always handguns.
Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
I almost always take a friend of mine for no other reason than he's retired, collects firearms and likes to get out of the house. He always looks at it too and gives his opinion. I guess someone could misconstrue that as me making a straw purchase for him.
I’ve used this form for every firearm I’ve bought or sold.
https://bluelinedefense.com/d-files/bill_of_sale_1.pdf
https://bluelinedefense.com/d-files/bill_of_sale_1.pdf
Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
Nice! Thank you for that sir!
7 pages of stuff here - admittedly I didn't read it all, but after reading the initial post, I had 2 thoughts that immediately came to mind:
1.) Based on that description, something seemed off-kilter
2.) I think you did the right thing to decline to sell
3.) The fact that they kicked your car as they were leaving confirmed to me that you made the right call
In this day and age with anything firearm related, if ANYTHING feels out of sorts or makes your spidey-sense tingle, the best bet is to walk away from it.
I had a thing back in 2013 with a pistol purchase from another member here. It was right after that travesty FSA2013 got passed, and the MSP was backlogged for weeks. Some shops were releasing the firearms after a 7-day wait, but some were holding the firearms until the MSP got back with the "Not Disapproved." (Continental held a pistol I purchased for over 3 months before I got it out of "jail.") I had asked the buyer to release after the 7th day, and initially I think he thought I was trying to pull a fast one as someone ineligible. I wasn't trying to pull a fast one - I know I'm fully eligible to buy a regulated firearm, and with this purchase, I simply wanted to be able to use the gun without having to wait for months. In any case, words were exchanged and he pulled out of the deal. I wasn't pleased because I really wanted that particular pistol, but figured I could find something else I wanted. After a day or so, we reconvened and went through with it, which was cool - he got the cash, I got the gun, and all was right with the world - MSP finally got back with my "Not Disapproved" about 3 months later.
1.) Based on that description, something seemed off-kilter
2.) I think you did the right thing to decline to sell
3.) The fact that they kicked your car as they were leaving confirmed to me that you made the right call
In this day and age with anything firearm related, if ANYTHING feels out of sorts or makes your spidey-sense tingle, the best bet is to walk away from it.
I had a thing back in 2013 with a pistol purchase from another member here. It was right after that travesty FSA2013 got passed, and the MSP was backlogged for weeks. Some shops were releasing the firearms after a 7-day wait, but some were holding the firearms until the MSP got back with the "Not Disapproved." (Continental held a pistol I purchased for over 3 months before I got it out of "jail.") I had asked the buyer to release after the 7th day, and initially I think he thought I was trying to pull a fast one as someone ineligible. I wasn't trying to pull a fast one - I know I'm fully eligible to buy a regulated firearm, and with this purchase, I simply wanted to be able to use the gun without having to wait for months. In any case, words were exchanged and he pulled out of the deal. I wasn't pleased because I really wanted that particular pistol, but figured I could find something else I wanted. After a day or so, we reconvened and went through with it, which was cool - he got the cash, I got the gun, and all was right with the world - MSP finally got back with my "Not Disapproved" about 3 months later.
OP, why are you dodging questions about selling a rifle you were so eager to buy 6 weeks ago?
rockstarr
Major Deplorable
what questions is he dodging? I just read the whole thread and it seems he is responding to a lot of things.
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Many of us second-class subjects have carry permits. Just not from MD.
And you may have just thwarted an MSP or ATF sting. Especially the "kicking the car" part. Smells like one to me. Just sayin'...
Didn’t know I was dodging any questions brother but I’ll gladly answer why I am selling the M4A1. 1st, I am not made of money and the Rifle is sitting looking pretty in my safe. I cant convince myself to shoot it because I look at this rifle as an investment, not as the tool that it is intended to be. The problem is, I want the tool.
It is for that reason I decided to sell and build a combat rifle that I know will never have future value like an unfired colt typically does.
I have already purchased the Colt M4A1 SOCOM 14.5” barrel ($240).
Next I will buy the SOLWG upper and lower receiver, the VLTOR A5 buffer system, colt BCG and a quality upper and lower parts kit. I should still have enough money left over to go to a SOTAR course and learn how to properly build and accurazi it. And then! Well then I shoot the hell out of it!!!
danb
dont be a dumbass
I am not really sure its an investment. If you hold it until President Warren signs the first gun control bill, it might go up in value. But Colt makes a bajillion of these, so then again maybe not. I say, just let 'er rip.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
OP, what made you worry about it being a straw sale? Just because his friend went ahead and looked at the rifle? I have had friends ask me what they thought about guns before buying them, and have told them that it looked good to me. Now, if they guy's friend was handing him cash to buy the gun, then that might be a flag. Plus, what did you do to ensure that the actual buyer was no prohibited? Would the friend not have passed the same sniff test even if the friend actually wanted to buy the gun?
Guessing you are in favor of UBC.
Guessing you are in favor of UBC.
We're doing the best we can interpreting the phrase "(h)is friend then said "I am good with it"..." plus the door kick, to determine whether something was or wasn't right with the transaction. It's hard to do that from select words posted on the internet.
I've sat through communications lectures that taught us that 80% of communication is non-verbal. That means we lose 80% of the total message in a phone conversation. We don't get body language or any other queues to size up the speaker. When you reduce it to reading words in and internet post...you get just a fraction of the remaining 20%.
I take the OP at is word, based on his interpretation of the totality of the circumstances of what he heard and saw with his own eyes.
I've sat through communications lectures that taught us that 80% of communication is non-verbal. That means we lose 80% of the total message in a phone conversation. We don't get body language or any other queues to size up the speaker. When you reduce it to reading words in and internet post...you get just a fraction of the remaining 20%.
I take the OP at is word, based on his interpretation of the totality of the circumstances of what he heard and saw with his own eyes.
Just my spidey senses going off, very shifty guy, hard to explain. But the alarm bell that went off in my head said “something aint right, got to get out of here”. That’s the best I can do.
Combloc
Stop Negassing me!!!!!
What does "UBC" mean?
Guessing universal background checks?
I'm not thst old, but learned to always trust your gut feeling, if OP thought something was off, he made the right move.
The fact that they kicked his truck speaks about the others characters.
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