Alas, my instructor was full of half-baked or contextually incorrect guidance on all sorts of matters. Maryland does everything possible to make this stuff subjective, contradictory, and legally dangerous.
MD CCW, is it legal to put pistol in car lock box to enter "gun free zone" store.
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Alas, my instructor was full of half-baked or contextually incorrect guidance on all sorts of matters. Maryland does everything possible to make this stuff subjective, contradictory, and legally dangerous.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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With the implication that your are an employee of a Security related company , very high probability an Ofc would call your dispatcher to ask if you are on duty .
If you are a sole proprietor Private Detective , see discussions about business owners .
If you are a sole proprietor Private Detective , see discussions about business owners .
songlaw
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Cannot have firearms in the parking lot of the Post Office
You cannot have your firearm (Loaded OR Unloaded) in the Post Office parking lot. The parking lot is part of the Post Office property. Either park on the street outside the Post Office parking lot, or you are in violation.
As an aside, a couple of years ago, as I was entering the Federal Court in Baltimore, I asked a group of deputies whether they had a locker where I could store my weapon. I told them I was not active/retired law enforcement. Just a private citizen with a CCW permit. They informed me that there was a guard shack, down the ramp, where I could store my weapon.
After learning of the Post Office parking lot restriction, I thought that it would apply to that guard shack, as well, as it was on federal property.
This past week, I asked the same group of deputies, and they simply were ignorant with respect to the question. Had I followed their initial advice, I would have been in violation. Not a knock on the deputies, as I figure that they rarely come across this fact pattern.
These regs sure keep us on our toes.
You cannot have your firearm (Loaded OR Unloaded) in the Post Office parking lot. The parking lot is part of the Post Office property. Either park on the street outside the Post Office parking lot, or you are in violation.
As an aside, a couple of years ago, as I was entering the Federal Court in Baltimore, I asked a group of deputies whether they had a locker where I could store my weapon. I told them I was not active/retired law enforcement. Just a private citizen with a CCW permit. They informed me that there was a guard shack, down the ramp, where I could store my weapon.
After learning of the Post Office parking lot restriction, I thought that it would apply to that guard shack, as well, as it was on federal property.
This past week, I asked the same group of deputies, and they simply were ignorant with respect to the question. Had I followed their initial advice, I would have been in violation. Not a knock on the deputies, as I figure that they rarely come across this fact pattern.
These regs sure keep us on our toes.
Do you mean Deputy Marshals? In Federal court you're typically interacting with Court Security Officers or Deputy Marshals.
songlaw
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Yes, deputy marshals. Not deputy sheriffs. I thought it would be understood. Thanks for clearing that up.
If I remember right their was a court case about that out west where the person had a ccw and wanted to park in the parking lot to get his mail even when they are closed but he had a PO box he could get to at night time. Since the post office is federal property it was held in federal court and the court ruled no joy even at night time parking in the parking lot to get your mail even if you were a ccw.
What about Post Offices in shopping centers?
Is the entire parking lot off limits, or does it not apply because the USPS doesn't own the shopping center, or the parking lot?
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Dear God.
Stick with email, UPS, Fedex and get stamps by mail. Or carry a lawyer along with the firearm. Or move to the USA.
(Not aiming snark at you personally, but this approaches absurdity. Thanks to the MD GA and the other riders in the MD Clown Car.)
The entire parking lot was off limits even tho it was in a small town with about 5000 people in it.Once you crossed the sidewalk into the parking lot it was off limits. The person could park on the street in front but still no joy at all having the concealed firearm with him past the sidewalk line and I would think that once you opened the door to the post office or crossed over from the mall into the post office is off limits. Rule of thum entire post office and land is off limits even in a mall as well.Of course this is not legal advice just remember what I read in the court case about very thing..
I believe there is an exception for this. As long as you don’t CCW into the Post Office.
Biggfoot44
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Can't blame this one on the MGA, nor would moving to free America , this one is all Federal . ( Albeit for about 20yrs there has been floating among certain 2A circles an interpretation of several Federal laws and Regs in sequence to where would not apply to actual holders of a CCW, but only illegal guns . But hasn't been a test case, and the Biggfoot advice is to not carry in P.O. )
But for the second question , I would think in case of mini P.O. counter at a mall, would only apply to the areas actually leased/ controlled by USPS .
But for the second question , I would think in case of mini P.O. counter at a mall, would only apply to the areas actually leased/ controlled by USPS .
No.
Generally for buildings where the federal government is leasing only part of the building the whole building is considered legally restricted. That said, that is usually when there are offices in the building. Something like a post office in a strip mall or a minicounter in a mall are usually limited to only what is leased or controlled by the feds. The building part is largely because most buildings where the feds lease only a portion, they often still run security for the entire building.
A post office on its own the parking lot is always (or every instance I am aware of) considered federal property.
For the Federal PO territory’s does that include long guns? And does this Federal Law apply to State and County LEOs?
Years ago, within MDS, there was a general consensus that MD was one of the better states in regards to carry rules ..... if one were able to be blessed by the LD that is. I beg to differ.
Years ago, within MDS, there was a general consensus that MD was one of the better states in regards to carry rules ..... if one were able to be blessed by the LD that is. I beg to differ.
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I can tell you that Federal Offices in some agencies have "No Firearms" signs on the door and the only people allowed to be armed are those on duty, either in uniform or undercover.
As for long guns, there is provision for transporting long guns into the post office for shipping. I can't quote it now, but I have been doing it for probably 40 years or so without any issues.
I wish some of the laws and regulations more more clear. I try to read up on the laws and ask the right questions. But they always seem to be up to interpretation. When the penalty is a life time of being prohibited, jailed and or becoming a felon. I want to accurately know the law.
example: where i live, no matter what way I drive, walk, hike, jump or skip I will pass with in 1,000 feet of a school. I was always told you can not pass with in 1,000 feet of a school. But I can not find any law that says that. Just laws that say you can not have any type of weapon on school property. So i think I am good! But i would like to know for sure!
I am a member of many gun clubs in PA where I use to live and I have family up there. I have my MD and PA permits. With that said, I as well as the rest of the family take trips to PA often. We load up the car and follow the Laws for the firearms we take. But according to the MD law...If i stop for 1 second to get gas, fix a flat, bathroom break or car trouble. I am now breaking MD firearm transportation laws. Because my trip was "interrupted" before making it to the PA line.
On top of that I have this to worry about!
Notice:Maryland has a unit called, “Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.”They have license plate reader cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them with that information. Do use caution when even driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a firearms permit/license without even stopping you.
But basically from what i understand and not from what I know...If i was on my way home and i needed to stop some where and i was carrying...i simply could not stop. even if it was for gas, flat tire or a drive thru! Now with an unrestricted permit things are a little easier...but are they?
But from all that I read and again not know...you can not lock your gun in your car! For any reason.
example: where i live, no matter what way I drive, walk, hike, jump or skip I will pass with in 1,000 feet of a school. I was always told you can not pass with in 1,000 feet of a school. But I can not find any law that says that. Just laws that say you can not have any type of weapon on school property. So i think I am good! But i would like to know for sure!
I am a member of many gun clubs in PA where I use to live and I have family up there. I have my MD and PA permits. With that said, I as well as the rest of the family take trips to PA often. We load up the car and follow the Laws for the firearms we take. But according to the MD law...If i stop for 1 second to get gas, fix a flat, bathroom break or car trouble. I am now breaking MD firearm transportation laws. Because my trip was "interrupted" before making it to the PA line.
On top of that I have this to worry about!
Notice:Maryland has a unit called, “Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.”They have license plate reader cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that will supply them with that information. Do use caution when even driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a firearms permit/license without even stopping you.
But basically from what i understand and not from what I know...If i was on my way home and i needed to stop some where and i was carrying...i simply could not stop. even if it was for gas, flat tire or a drive thru! Now with an unrestricted permit things are a little easier...but are they?
But from all that I read and again not know...you can not lock your gun in your car! For any reason.
Gizmo98
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You may want to sit down, but the people writing these laws don't know what they're talking about. They create this legislation only to either DO SOMETHING ABOUT CRIME FOR THE CHILDREN (appease the ignorant masses) or exert more government control over our lives. They don't believe the laws actually do anything constructive like lower crime or protect citizens. With that in mind, you'll understand why the laws are so vague. They have to be. If they were specific, there would be 1000 ways to get around them, and it would be clear they didn't do anything.
Full disclosure: I'm about 2/3 of the way through Unintended Consequences right now, and I'm basically angry all the time. The stuff he wrote about in the mid-90s is even worse today. The way he logically demonstrates the complete farce behind creating almost all of these infringements should make it clear to almost anyone that it's all about control and appeasement. And I'm not even to the actual meat of the story yet!
If you are “carrying” as in physically on your person it doesn’t matter if you stop or not. FOPA wouldn’t cover you and you are breaking Maryland law on transport of a handgun. Unless you’ve got a wear and carry permit that is unrestricted, you are carrying under the restrictions or you are covered under one of the other Maryland transport exceptions (and have it unloaded in a case or covered holster).
PS the only school restrictions are never on school property. The other is about hunting within a mile of school if school is in session. That also only applies to elementary and secondary schools. Doesn’t apply to colleges and universities (some ban it, but the worst they can do is fine you).
Yes my MD Wear and Carry is unrestricted. But that is what is confusing...so since i have a URWC permit...i could load the car up with all my competition firearms for that weekends event and drive on up the road. Oh say my engine over heats 10 miles before the PA line. Does my permit cover me to have my firearms properly transported in my car to stop and fix or assess the problem???
I know without a permit...i am pushing that car 10 more miles! lol So it would not be considered and "interrupted trip"!
When i last talked to a MD lawyer about this. He recommend i take the firearms apart and separate the parts as much as possible. Which is what I do anyway.
Your wear and carry permit isn't limited to one pistol. Are you talking about long guns?
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