Sherrif David Clarke takes down Clinton News Network's Don Lemon

danb said:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._cnns_don_lemon_about_black_lives_matter.html

I wish I could embed it, but I can't since it's flash.

Sheriff David Clarke positively pwns Lemon.

Definitely must see.

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T'Challa said:

I watched the round two video and Lemon presented many facts. (ie. Harvard report, Data from Washington Post) and Clarke only mentioned the Harvard report and got it wrong.) I agree with Clarke's condemnation of hate against cops. Clarke is solid on guns but shaky on other topics.

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tkd4life said:

Well there is data that shows that African Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate than whites. When percentage of population is taken into account, African Americans are more likely to be shot by police. This is what the Washington Post data says.

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KL1 said:

Just like many things with statistics, a lot depends on how you do the analysis. I'm pretty sure that when you look at the data in terms of percentage of police interactions instead of percentage of population, white men are significantly more likely to be shot by police than black men. Unfortunately I don't have the time to look up the references right now. But it does seem like maybe Clarke was not prepared with good evidence to back up his claims. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence to counter the data Lemmon cited.

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KL1 said:

Just like many things with statistics, a lot depends on how you do the analysis. I'm pretty sure that when you look at the data in terms of percentage of police interactions instead of percentage of population, white men are significantly more likely to be shot by police than black men. Unfortunately I don't have the time to look up the references right now. But it does seem like maybe Clarke was not prepared with good evidence to back up his claims. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence to counter the data Lemmon cited.

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tkd4life said:

Yea Clarke didn't really listen very well during the interview. He claims that there is no data to suggest the cops are targeting African Americans. Well there is data that shows that African Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate than whites. When percentage of population is taken into account, African Americans are more likely to be shot by police. This is what the Washington Post data says.

I get his dislike of BLM, but he doesn't quite have his facts right.

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tkd4life said:

Yea Clarke didn't really listen very well during the interview. He claims that there is no data to suggest the cops are targeting African Americans. Well there is data that shows that African Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate than whites. When percentage of population is taken into account, African Americans are more likely to be shot by police. This is what the Washington Post data says.

I get his dislike of BLM, but he doesn't quite have his facts right.

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KL1 said:

Just like many things with statistics, a lot depends on how you do the analysis. I'm pretty sure that when you look at the data in terms of percentage of police interactions instead of percentage of population, white men are significantly more likely to be shot by police than black men. Unfortunately I don't have the time to look up the references right now. But it does seem like maybe Clarke was not prepared with good evidence to back up his claims. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence to counter the data Lemmon cited.

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babalou said:

One of the other threads here has a link to statistics about the misconception of blacks being killed by cops more than whites. It goes into the crime rate, etc. It is a very good read. I tried to peruse the Baton Rouge thread because I thought it was in there but I do not have the time. Whoever wrote that post, if you see this, please re-link the url. Thanks.

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tkd4life said:

I agree 100%. And after a quick little search using the FBI crime statistics for 2014 I found that when African Americans are about 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for Violent Crimes in this country than white's are. It would only makes sense that due to the fact that cops are interacting with a specific race almost 4 times as much in the enforcement of violent crimes that there would be more police shootings of said group. When it looks like that when violent crimes are taken into account, there is no meaningful difference between races involved in police shootings. Blacks are arrested about 3 times more for violent crime, and they are also killed by police about 3 times more as well. Data summarized below.

Population: 2010 Census= 308,745,000, %White = 72.4% or 223,531,000, %Black = 12.8% or 38,902,000

2014 violent crimes arrests based on race = White = 231,750, Black = 147,002.

2014 Violent Crimes divided by race per million people =
White= 231,750/223.531=1036 arrests/million people
Black= 147,002/38.902=3779 arrests/million people.

Washington Post data= Police Killings by race White = 449 people, Black = 241.
Killings per million people =
White=449/223.531= 2.008 killed/million people
Black=241/38.902 = 6.195 killed/million people

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jbrown50 said:

African Americans are over represented by crime. Clark said that, and he's right. Check out the FBI statistics, then check out the locations. In urban areas where crime rates are the highest the black population is also the highest. The overwhelming majority of these areas are also governed by, get this......democratic politicians. Democratic policies, for the last 50 years, have fostered this disparity and have failed the black community. The welfare mentality, socialist policies, poor leadership, overly aggressive policing to try and compensate for the high crime rates caused by the first three? Yes.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim the disproportionate numbers, then not take responsibility for them. They are on your watch.

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