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Old July 22nd, 2019, 05:59 AM #11
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Prototype was a Mauser derivation designed by a British committee and adopted in 1913 in a .280 or .275 caliber I think. Rechambered to .303 in 1914 as an emergency substitute standard to Beat the Kaiser, and made by Yank contractors. Rechambered again to .30-06 in 1917 and adopted by the U.S.

More than 50% of U.S. troops used it Over There.
I could have saved time and just asked you instead of watching that show. American Rifleman last week. Started with .276 cartridge like the pattern 1913 then so on. Really interesting how both Winchester and Remington were building the enfields in .303 as contracts to England then decided to build with .30-06. Love those shows.
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I was joking with you. I love to hear how a shit ton of people on here know a ton of things on older rifles and pistols and so many odd wildcat or out of favor rounds
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Old July 22nd, 2019, 08:26 AM #13
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All,

I just purchased my first C&R, a U.S. model 1917 rifle. The rifle was advertised as having a poor barrel with fouling and possibly some pitting. how would you recommend I clean and protect the barrel of my 1917. are there any cleaning tools or techniques you can recommend?

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Congratulations on your purchase - I hope you're excited. In addition to the advice of other members - if you're going to shoot the 1917 I do recommend you take to your gunsmith for a look over.
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Old July 22nd, 2019, 09:12 AM #14
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Excellent choice, I find when I reach for something in .30-06 to take to the range the M1917 comes with me a lot more often than any of my springfields or M1s.
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The original .276 was a good idea on paper but they had issues with this new high velocity cartridge. Not unlike the problems Charles Ross encountered with his new .280 Ross cartridge. I think both needed the metallurgy of the day to catch up to make them successful. In the end the British ran out of time with their entry into WWI. Luckily the rifle easily converted to .303 British.
Remington saw the strength of the Model of 1917 and continued production for a decade or so as the Model 30. It was plenty strong enough to handle all the new wildcat cartridges that came along. War production effectively killed off the Model 30 but they aren't hard to find and are very cool early sporting rifles. Photo is from an auction held a couple of years ago. $525 would have bought you this nice example.
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Another curious thing about an M17 is it was produced in such great numbers with a propensity for a known defect regarding safety off discharge when the bolt is manipulated regarding incorrect operation of the safety not to mention blow ups whether it be from wrong ammo or problems with seamed barrels. A proportionally large number of documented failures that could just be a result of the number of rifles manufactured by the three manufactures vs the 03

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Congratulations on your purchase - I hope you're excited. In addition to the advice of other members - if you're going to shoot the 1917 I do recommend you take to your gunsmith for a look over.
Will do. Do you recommend anyone?
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The stock has been sanded pretty good on the OPís rifle.
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