Primary Arms Screwing Over Ban State Residents

DutchV · Nov 12, 2017

Primary Arms is not a top tier vendor. They shipped me a small part in a plain envelope, which of course got lost in the machinery at USPS. (You have to use padded envelopes or stuff gets shredded.) Then they complained about having to fix the issue. Never mind that a lot of the brands they carry are nearly junk.

As for mags, MD is a small state. Find a vendor or gunshow you like, and take a friend on a roadtrip.

Threeband · Nov 12, 2017

THREAD! DIE!

3paul10 · Nov 12, 2017

Yes, let this sillyness go...

Drmsparks · Nov 12, 2017

seriously people- when they passed the damn law Mike Miller told us to shut up and just get mags out of state like he does.

It's not a secret, the legislature knew all about it when they passed the law. Why so defensive when discussing legal options?

tkd4life · Nov 12, 2017

Drmsparks said:
seriously people- when they passed the damn law Mike Miller told us to shut up and just get mags out of state like he does.

It's not a secret, the legislature knew all about it when they passed the law. Why so defensive when discussing legal options?

Not getting defensive about legal options, but what the op posted wasn’t legal. No one is saying anything about going to an out of state shop or gun show. There is a difference.

DrNRA · Nov 13, 2017

tkd4life said:
This. It is illegal to purchase magazines greater than 10 rounds in this state. If you were in the state of Maryland when you placed the online order, you were in violation of the law regardless of where it was shipped.

This is the strangest interpretation of internet commerce I have ever heard. Unless you can point to a specific clause in the law, here or anywhere, I call shenanigans.

erwos · Nov 13, 2017

DrNRA said:
This is the strangest interpretation of internet commerce I have ever heard. Unless you can point to a specific clause in the law, here or anywhere, I call shenanigans.

It's not a crazy idea. Good example is how Maryland bans shipping certain alcohol in the state... the ban was held to not be in violation of the commerce clause because it applies equally to in-state and out-of-state shipping. If they're prohibiting "purchase" from both in- and out-of state vendors, their interpretation would pass muster on a commerce clause basis.

I mean, otherwise, why couldn't you just ignore the transfer part of the law, too? It's interstate transfer! Fair game! Sorry, but that's not how it works.

That said, this is not PA's responsibility to police, unless their site is physically hosted in MD. (Incidentally, if they ever had an AWS data center here in MD, that would be a real possibility for some vendors.)

DrNRA · Nov 13, 2017

All examples given thus far, including the official referral on having guns transferred in state but the mag transferred back out, involve some physical footprint within MD state lines. My transaction was entirely outside, and therefore not in violation of any state laws.

This issue has been addressed before with an issue even more important to politicians: sales tax. There is no interstate internet sales tax which has been upheld by the courts. Why? Because the states authority ends at its border. Doesn’t matter if I was inside the MSP barracks when I made my internet order. The physical money and physical product never came in contact with Maryland.

DrNRA · Nov 13, 2017

Erwos: Jew with a gun.

It’s not just me I see.

Squaregrouper · Nov 13, 2017

DrNRA said:
Erwos: Jew with a gun.

It’s not just me I see.

Quite a few "Matzo, Matzo Men" on this forum. We also have cops, construction workers and Indians.

Doctor_M · Nov 13, 2017

And disco biker guys!

Biggfoot44 · Nov 13, 2017

With ass-less chaps !

44man · Nov 13, 2017

Why is it so hard for people to just run to va and grab what they want for cash with no possible questions?

eruby · Nov 13, 2017

44man said:
Why is it so hard for people to just run to va and grab what they want for cash with no possible questions?

Because bitching about the same picayune nonsense over and over and over again is darn near an Olympic sport on MDS.

Palmetto used to ship to 'Free' states with a Maryland billing address (or so I have read), and if i ever choose to buy from them, i sure as hell wouldn't start a thread about it.

A wise old owl sat in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The less he spoke the more he heard
Why can't we all be like that wise old bird

ShafTed · Nov 13, 2017

Drmsparks said:
seriously people- when they passed the damn law Mike Miller told us to shut up and just get mags out of state like he does.

It's not a secret, the legislature knew all about it when they passed the law. Why so defensive when discussing legal options?

Actually, I was among the crowd in the hallway of the Senate office building when I heard him say he would buy HANDGUNS out of state before he would submit his fingerprints. The damned fool doesn't even know federal law, so how is he qualified to make state laws? :mad54:

Pinecone · Nov 13, 2017

DrNRA said:
All examples given thus far, including the official referral on having guns transferred in state but the mag transferred back out, involve some physical footprint within MD state lines. My transaction was entirely outside, and therefore not in violation of any state laws.

This issue has been addressed before with an issue even more important to politicians: sales tax. There is no interstate internet sales tax which has been upheld by the courts. Why? Because the states authority ends at its border. Doesn’t matter if I was inside the MSP barracks when I made my internet order. The physical money and physical product never came in contact with Maryland.

Because the law says it is illegal to BUY in this state. You were in this state when you bought them, so therefore illegal.

It all depends on the wording of each law.

bkuether · Nov 13, 2017

Several have said it already. If you want normal capacity mags, it is perfectly legal to drive to VA or PA and buy them.

No one is going to arrest you at the boarder.

I bought some 30 rd AK mags in Texas and flew back to BWI with them in my checked bag.

You are allowed to POSSESS them, just not BUY them in MD.

The last thing you want is for some forum troll to turn you in. YOU would be the TEST CASE for the law.

Lets not go there....... Erase your original post. Or edit with extreme vigor. :rolleyes:

DrNRA · Nov 13, 2017

Pinecone said:
Because the law says it is illegal to BUY in this state. You were in this state when you bought them, so therefore illegal.

It all depends on the wording of each law.

*facepalm emoji*

iH8DemLibz · Nov 13, 2017

Good on the OP for editing the gun shop's name out of the original post.

Was edited on the morning of the 11th.

clandestine · Nov 13, 2017

Maybe I should start a thread called:

Where can I buy illegal things?

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