WARNING! FIREARM PURCHASE WITHOUT HQL AFTER OCT. 1st VIOLATES THE LAW

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  • AGCLVP

    Active Member
    Jan 27, 2009
    142
    We here at AGC are aware of the September 24, 2013, Maryland State Police press release notifying the public that MSP would not enforce the HQL provisions against purchasers who had their paperwork in before October 1, 2013, irrespective of when they actually take possession of their handgun. We strongly discourage anybody from relying on that press release when purchasing and receiving a handgun. The press release is contradicted by an opinion from the Attorney General’s office that an HQL would be required for taking possession of a handgun on or after October 1, 2013 no matter when their paperwork was filed. Furthermore, even if the Maryland State Police do not enforce the law, it is still a law, on the books, with criminal penalties attached to its violation. Receiving a firearm without an HQL after October 1, 2013 is a violation of SB 281, and nothing would stop some other law enforcement agency from bringing charges under its provisions. Conviction for violation of the HQL provisions could result in both criminal penalties and loss of gun rights.

    This is not legal advice. You are advised to consult with your attorney.

    AG Opinion Letter
     

    seawolf823

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    Dec 18, 2011
    931
    Timonium
    We here at AGC are aware of the September 24, 2013, Maryland State Police press release notifying the public that MSP would not enforce the HQL provisions against purchasers who had their paperwork in before October 1, 2013, irrespective of when they actually take possession of their handgun. We strongly discourage anybody from relying on that press release when purchasing and receiving a handgun. The press release is contradicted by an opinion from the Attorney General’s office that an HQL would be required for taking possession of a handgun on or after October 1, 2013 no matter when their paperwork was filed. Furthermore, even if the Maryland State Police do not enforce the law, it is still a law, on the books, with criminal penalties attached to its violation. Receiving a firearm without an HQL after October 1, 2013 is a violation of SB 281, and nothing would stop some other law enforcement agency from bringing charges under its provisions. Conviction for violation of the HQL provisions could result in both criminal penalties and loss of gun rights.

    This is not legal advice. You are advised to consult with your attorney.

    AG Opinion Letter

    Agreed. Sounds like a trap to me
     

    frothytoast

    Member
    Sep 23, 2013
    6
    What the hell, just when I think I'm in the clear...awesome. Hopefully this is a little more black and white in the next week..


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    Name Taken

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    11,891
    Central
    I kind of agree with this.

    There is NOTHING keeping PG, Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Mont. etc from coming back and charging you within a year and a day of your purchase.

    MSP is not the be-all-end-all here.

    If it was an AG's letter that's a bit more reliable.
     

    KingGeorge

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    May 30, 2013
    523
    I called that press release fishy! Which is why I told my friend to forget the handgun and I'll introduceher to a nice rifle to protect her and her daughters.
     

    ktigerJ

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 5, 2013
    1,333
    Sounds like there are "some" problems in the ranks. They can't seem to get their lies.... I mean stories straight.
     

    ShallNotInfringe

    Lil Firecracker
    Feb 17, 2013
    8,554
    Copied over from the other thread for situational awareness...

    I'll take bets the anti-gunowner crowd will sue MSP over this turn of events.

    Back in the 90's, CA DOJ was sued over extending the "assault weapons" registration window, and the antigunowners won. The CA extension was due to a backlog. Anyone who registered their firearms during the extension had them confiscated after the court ruling.

    I am still puzzling out how such a court victory against MSP would play out. Maybe a court order to refuse post-10/1 77R forms that do not include the HQL info?

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    Found an article on this: http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/July98/072298d.htm

    And more: http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1999/C...t-Weapons/id-ce8dd7f3c36cf40249aeeac19d927ad2
     

    daggo66

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 31, 2013
    1,992
    Glen Burnie
    Agreed. Sounds like a trap to me

    I kind of agree with this.

    There is NOTHING keeping PG, Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Mont. etc from coming back and charging you within a year and a day of your purchase.

    MSP is not the be-all-end-all here.

    If it was an AG's letter that's a bit more reliable.

    Sounds like some entrapment!!!!!

    Bring it! I made a purchase today and I will not be getting a HQL. The "purchase" was made before 10/1. The whole concept of needing the HQL for picking up after was fishy to begin with and no one was really sure until just recently. Then they back peddled. There are tons of old laws on the books that are no longer enforced. There is a ton of precedent for not enforcing a law.
     

    ShallNotInfringe

    Lil Firecracker
    Feb 17, 2013
    8,554
    I kind of agree with this.

    There is NOTHING keeping PG, Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Mont. etc from coming back and charging you within a year and a day of your purchase.

    MSP is not the be-all-end-all here.

    If it was an AG's letter that's a bit more reliable.

    If they held a special session and amended the law, it would be golden. Anything less and it could mean trouble in the future.
     

    Mark75H

    MD Wear&Carry Instructor
    Industry Partner
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 25, 2011
    17,172
    Outside the Gates
    Sounds like some entrapment!!!!!

    When California was in the same backlog predicament, the police did and said the same thing outside of the law passed by their legislature ... after the Brady Bunch lawsuit, they were required by the court to go back and CONFISCATE all guns approved & released in the overlap period.

    You would think MSP knows this happened
     

    Bolts Rock

    Living in Free America!
    Apr 8, 2012
    6,123
    Northern Alabama
    Bring it! I made a purchase today and I will not be getting a HQL. The "purchase" was made before 10/1. The whole concept of needing the HQL for picking up after was fishy to begin with and no one was really sure until just recently. Then they back peddled. There are tons of old laws on the books that are no longer enforced. There is a ton of precedent for not enforcing a law.

    Just in case, what kind of cake would you like us to bake a file into?
     

    adit

    ReMember
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 20, 2013
    19,507
    DE
    I called that press release fishy! Which is why I told my friend to forget the handgun and I'll introduceher to a nice rifle to protect her and her daughters.

    Did you notice that no one signed the letter that was faxed to the FFL's?
     

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