All State Licenses extended

GTOGUNNER · Mar 30, 2020

By Virtue of the Governors EO,

Licensing & Permitting

According to the Governor’s Executive Order, all licenses, permits, registrations, and other authorizations issued by the state, its agencies or any political subdivision that would expire during the current state of emergency will be extended until at least the 30th day after the state of emergency is lifted.

Threeband · Mar 30, 2020

MDOT sent me a letter about it last week, dated 10 days ago. (One of my vehicle registrations was up for renewal.)

There's a mention of it buried in one of the threads also, but no doubt many missed it.

XCheckR · Mar 30, 2020

Surprised that doesn't say except CC.

Occam · Mar 30, 2020

XCheckR said:
Surprised that doesn't say except CC.

I read the document several times looking for how a CC permit holder could get lapsed/screwed by this. Seems solid.

GTOGUNNER · Mar 30, 2020

As it is now, if you apply for renewal before 2 weeks of expiration, your permit remains valid. If you get a shortage notice during this time, expired means expired. Now, that said, unless this emergency lasts more than a month, probably won't affect any body.

lazarus · Mar 30, 2020

GTOGUNNER said:
As it is now, if you apply for renewal before 2 weeks of expiration, your permit remains valid. If you get a shortage notice during this time, expired means expired. Now, that said, unless this emergency lasts more than a month, probably won't affect any body.

I mean, odds are good we are talking months, very plural. Even if it relaxes for awhile, it won’t be going away for a long time.

Got my emissions extension notification in the mail today. I wonder about stamps come hunting season in the fall. Though I suspect by then we might not care about stamps and all that.

MDFF2008 · Mar 31, 2020

Maryland is also now issuing provisional EMT and Paramedic licenses.

If your EMT expired in the last 10 years, or Paramedic in the last 5, you can get a provisional license for the duration of the pandemic.

Same for out of state providers, no longer needing to go through the reciprocity process.

CharlieFoxtrot · Apr 1, 2020

I guess this means my fishing license is still good then.

willtill · Apr 1, 2020

MVA is still working emails. I just got a response from them with an email I sent on 27 March.

Had renewed my trucks registration/decals online back on March 4th, but haven't received them. They said they were mailed on March 6th. My mail carrier probably misdelivered them to another address on my street and I imagine either the unknown neighbor is fraudulently using them, or they simple threw the envelope away. :sad20:

Now I have to either pay a $5.00 fee for new substitute stickers by either going online or visiting a Kiosk. :mad54:

First world problem again. :rolleyes:

HSTD · Apr 1, 2020

I was looking at the MDSP web site and saw this gem:

https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...u/LicensingDivision/LawEnforcement/LEOSA.aspx
Law Enforcement Safety Act

IMPORTANT REGARDING LEOSA EXPIRATIONS

The expiration date of the Retired L.E.O.S.A. Identification Card is extended by the Governor's Executive Order of March 12, 2020 which extends the expiration dates of "all licenses, permits, registrations, and other authorizations issued by the State of Maryland." However, 18 USC 926C(d)(2)(B) requires certification that the individual met firearms qualification standards not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying a concealed firearm. Individuals whose firearms qualification is more than one-year-old are not in compliance with the requirements of 926C(d)(2)(B). Therefore, it would not be recommended to carry on an expired LEOSA Identification Card outside the State of Maryland until compliance with the requirements of 926C(d)(2)(B) are met.

** Please note, this only applies to LEOSA permits issued by State agencies.

How is the Governor able to extend a requirement mandated under Federal Law?

If this were legal, wouldn't the extension be valid outside of the state as well?

Blaster229 · Apr 1, 2020

HSTD said:
I was looking at the MDSP web site and saw this gem:

https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizat...u/LicensingDivision/LawEnforcement/LEOSA.aspx
Law Enforcement Safety Act

IMPORTANT REGARDING LEOSA EXPIRATIONS

The expiration date of the Retired L.E.O.S.A. Identification Card is extended by the Governor's Executive Order of March 12, 2020 which extends the expiration dates of "all licenses, permits, registrations, and other authorizations issued by the State of Maryland." However, 18 USC 926C(d)(2)(B) requires certification that the individual met firearms qualification standards not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying a concealed firearm. Individuals whose firearms qualification is more than one-year-old are not in compliance with the requirements of 926C(d)(2)(B). Therefore, it would not be recommended to carry on an expired LEOSA Identification Card outside the State of Maryland until compliance with the requirements of 926C(d)(2)(B) are met.

** Please note, this only applies to LEOSA permits issued by State agencies.

How is the Governor able to extend a requirement mandated under Federal Law?

If this were legal, wouldn't the extension be valid outside of the state as well?

Because LEOSA states the retiree/officer has to qualify in the state(with an approved firearms qual used in the state) of which they reside. the "state" is the qualifying authority basically. If people can't qual because the state is on emergency lockdown, then the state is saying it's ok.
The State of which the LEOSA holder resides "runs" the LEOSA program. I think it's a non issue.
But LEOSA has been a fcked up thing since it's beginning. Here's what happens when people say they want the government to have a National Carry law for citizens.

HSTD · Apr 1, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Because LEOSA states the retiree/officer has to qualify in the state(with an approved firearms qual used in the state) of which they reside. the "state" is the qualifying authority basically. If people can't qual because the state is on emergency lockdown, then the state is saying it's ok.
The State of which the LEOSA holder resides "runs" the LEOSA program. I think it's a non issue.
But LEOSA has been a fcked up thing since it's beginning. Here's what happens when people say they want the government to have a National Carry law for citizens.

I don't understand why wouldn't they be able to carry outside of the state, if this is legit.

or is this Maryland just bending the rules to suit themselves?

Blaster229 · Apr 1, 2020

HSTD said:
I don't understand why wouldn't they be able to carry outside of the state, if this is legit.

or is this Maryland just bending the rules to suit themselves?

I wouldn't have any problem traveling out of state. I mean if something is suspended, everything freezes in time. This has to do with STATE AGENCIES. The only State Agency I know who issues, qualifies, and services their own LEOSA "cards" is the MSP. Seems like they just want to err on the side of caution.
Who really knows how to decipher MSP?

Who did you qualify with?

HSTD · Apr 1, 2020

Blaster229 said:
I wouldn't have any problem traveling out of state. I mean if something is suspended, everything freezes in time. This has to do with STATE AGENCIES. The only State Agency I know who issues, qualifies, and services their own LEOSA "cards" is the MSP. Seems like they just want to err on the side of caution.
Who really knows how to decipher MSP?

Who did you qualify with?

No one. I'm just curious why a drivers license would be valid out of state, and this one wouldn't be.

Blaster229 · Apr 1, 2020

HSTD said:
No one. I'm just curious why a drivers license would be valid out of state, and this one wouldn't be.

You don't have to go take a driver's test every year. LEOSA you have to shoot a qualification every year.

HSTD · Apr 1, 2020

Blaster229 said:
You don't have to go take a driver's test every year. LEOSA you have to shoot a qualification every year.

But if my drivers license expired last month, it would still be good out of state because of the Governors order.

Guess I just don't understand why one is OK to use out of state and the other wouldn't be.

Doesn't really affect me, and was just curious.

Blaster229 · Apr 1, 2020

HSTD said:
But if my drivers license expired last month, it would still be good out of state because of the Governors order.

Guess I just don't understand why one is OK to use out of state and the other wouldn't be.

Doesn't really affect me, and was just curious.

Because LEOSA is a federal law. I guess the State thinks it shouldn't override that?

Is an expired license good out of state? Where was that stated from the federal government or surrounding states?

HSTD · Apr 1, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Because LEOSA is a federal law. I guess the State thinks it shouldn't override that?

Is an expired license good out of state? Where was that stated from the federal government or surrounding states?

The Governor extended the validity of drivers licenses expiring during the pandemic. That I can see him having the authority to do.

doesn't matter I guess. like I said, was just curious.

Blaster229 · Apr 1, 2020

HSTD said:
The Governor extended the validity of drivers licenses expiring during the pandemic. That I can see him having the authority to do.

doesn't matter I guess. like I said, was just curious.

Maybe in Maryland.

What if you got pulled over in Arkansas? Driving on an expired license. Are you going to tell the Trooper that Larry Hogan extended all licenses? I don't see that transaction taking place on the side of Highway 30.

I think staying in Maryland is the thing to do.

Cal68 · Apr 3, 2020

Blaster229 said:
Maybe in Maryland.

What if you got pulled over in Arkansas? Driving on an expired license. Are you going to tell the Trooper that Larry Hogan extended all licenses? I don't see that transaction taking place on the side of Highway 30.

I think staying in Maryland is the thing to do.

I was thinking about such a scenario myself and I agree with the above advice. You never know what a Trooper in another State will do if the driver has a MD DL that had expired during this coronavirus crisis. My DL comes up for renewal in the next few months so I hope that the DMV opens up by then.

Cal68

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