What does this mean?
So what if Hogan wins a Second term?
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Mr H
Banana'd
I think he means successor.
IMO, regardless of the outcome of this election, the 2022 CONSERVATIVE candidates need to be vetted and identified shortly after the 2018 election is final (no later than Jan 2020).
IMO, regardless of the outcome of this election, the 2022 CONSERVATIVE candidates need to be vetted and identified shortly after the 2018 election is final (no later than Jan 2020).
sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
I definitely agree that Shooters & 2A folks are in a minority won't turn the election one way or the other...
BUT everyone of us who chooses NOT to vote, this puts the Dems that much closer to winning the Governorship...
I can guarantee the Governor Ben Jealous won't be good for Merry-Land or for Shooters...
How quickly we have forgotten the last time we had a Democratic Governor = O'Malley 2013 AR Bans & HQL's...
Maybe it is more palatable if with think of voting AGAINST Jealous, not voting FOR Hogan...
VOTE...
Kyler
Member
here, here... and a moderate Republican Governor is vastly better than a Democratic Governor any day.
CrazySanMan
2013'er
You know what's better than that? A true conservative governor. But you'll never see one in Maryland if you keep voting for the RINO crap they spoon feed you.
Do you really, honestly think that voting in a way that puts Jealous in as governor, with all the damage he will irreversibly do across the board in all sorts of arenas, is in ANY way going to move the needle in this state towards circumstances that would see a "true conservative" in office? Just say it, so we can refer back to it later. Say, "Ben Jealous is the first step towards a truly conservative governor in Maryland, and I don't care what happens to regulation, taxes, businesses, the budget, gun rights, sanctuary status, or anything else in the next several years, because all of that damage will magically go away when a True Conservative is elected by the remaining voters in Maryland afterwards." Just say it, like you mean it. For posterity.
CrazySanMan
2013'er
How has a lifetime of voting for the least sh!tty piece of sh!t worked out for you? Like I've said time and time again, take off your 2018 blinders and look at the big picture.
When you vote, your vote is broken down and analyzed every way possible. Your age, sex, marital status, party affiliation. zip code, etc. All of that gets scrutinized and analyzed and stored away. When you vote for the RINO that the MD GOP spoon feeds you, the message you send them is that you like this sh!tty candidate and the party should run someone like him next time. It's a vicious cycle.
Keep biting that turd sandwich, they'll keep force-feeding you turd sandwiches.
But go ahead, keep eating that sandwich, keep complaining, keep letting Maryland decline. I mean, the lesser of two evils is a great party platform, isn't it? "Yeah, I know I suck, but at least I'm not quite as infringing as the other guy!" You'll never induce change by only looking at the next election. You will just slow the decline a negligible amount.
Hogan won by more than 65,000 votes. That's a hell of a lot more votes than there are members of this forum. The whole MDS membership could sit out the election and not sway the results one way or the other.
However, if every member of MDS wrote in "Second Amendment" or "NO MORE RINOS" for governor, the MD GOP would take notice and see that 2,000 Republicans took the time and effort to vote in "Second Amendment" instead of voting for the incumbent republican; they would start to get the picture. Do this for more republican candidates and in more elections and you'll start seeing candidates who are more conservative and not just RINOs.
Let's face it, in the next four years, whether Jealous or Hogan wins, your 2A rights in Maryland are going to suffer. I think we all agree with that. Your 2A rights are going to be less in 2022 than they are in 2018. Why throw that vote away? Why not use it to begin enacting change? A vote for Hogan will change nothing, in fact it will make 2022 that much worse as the MD GOP tries to find a RINO who is like Hogan. They'll feed you another turd sandwich.
One has to realize you're asking a rhetorical, rather than a realistic question. Because even if your dream were to come true, and the GOP would somehow conjure up even more conservative candidates in Maryland because the true 2A supporters worked to put Jealous in as Governor, as you propose ... why on earth are you making the assumption that the majority blue voters in MD would vote for those even more conservative candidates, when they won't vote for the middle of the road ones now?
What act do you think, specifically, will cause tens of thousands of deep blue Maryland liberals to think, "Well, I never would have voted for a Republican in the past, but now that they're even more hardcore in their conservative views, well, sure, I guess I'll switch!"
CrazySanMan
2013'er
Why do you think voting for the lesser of two evils every time is going to change anything?
CrazySanMan
2013'er
Maryland gun rights are a house-sized boulder rolling down a hill. Your plan is to stand in front of the boulder and try to push back against it as it rolls downhill. My plan is to run downhill a bit and build a wall to stop it from going any further down.
Because here on actual planet earth, in the deep-blue state of Maryland, we have every expectation that things will continue to slide, demographically, bluer and bluer. And we have two candidates that aren't from the Fantasy Candidate League to actually choose from here in actual reality. One of them is actively, aggressively promising to do things that will be disastrous for the state in all sorts of ways, and the other is good on some things, luke warm on some things, annoying on some things, but on balance not a disaster. We've got one guy who thinks you shouldn't even have a shotgun, and another guy who isn't saying any such thing.
And THOSE are our two choices. You are suggesting NON-choices that, as vote parasites, will only support the worst possible outcome, and are carefully avoiding discussing the reality of what WILL happen if Jealous wins as you intend. You say to vote on principle, and call for behavior that will support a Socialist. My principles call for me to work against the Socialist you prefer. Electing one won't position us for anything better in the long run, it speeds the ruin. Why your principles embrace that ruin is a head scratcher, but there it is. The central point: I don't accept your underlying premise. Getting the Socialist you prefer into office will not cause some imaginary future hard right conservative to become a darling of the state's lefty liberal voters and set everything right, one day, hocus pocus. That's pure bunk.
What will happen is that the Socialist you support will make things far worse, immediately, and ever more conservative voters, businesses, and votes will flee the state, letting the blue stain spread ever farther out west and east of the liberal population core. That's the vision you're embracing. That's the actual real world result you're calling for. Your plan to further marginalize the state's small GOP presence in order to somehow make it stronger is, truly, pure fantasy.
And you're expecting your preferred socialist governor, who is rabidly anti-gun, to help you with that?
Kyler
Member
In Maryland, a conservative governor is unelectable until such time as conservatives outnumber liberals. I won't see that in my lifetime.
Unless you have some magic wand that would get Maryland liberals to suddenly vote for a true conservative, we are better off supporting an electable GOP governor.
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The Angriest Dog in the World
The Angriest Dog in the World
Yeah. Hearing fellow non-crazy-Marylanders say they want a shiny new socialist governor because that's the long game solution to getting true conservatives in office in a deep blue state ... it does indeed makes me Angry Dog. Destroying the village to save the villagers won't work in this case.
Most of these posts beg the question (yet again)...for those insisting on a "pure" 2A Republican candidate: point out the name on the upcoming ballot and I promise to vote for him or her.
With the good drs help I have decided mecand my family and my guys will vote hogan this year so that’s outta the way
I do have a question, a serious question.
With more and more liberals moving in md every year as more and more 2a loving conservatives move out of md as fast as they can and every election cycle conservatives choose someone with lower and lower on the 2a totem pole and farther and farther left for the republican candidate for governor, where does this end and leave md?
I mean the lesser of two evils means lowering the standard every election.
How long until md is completely lost?
It seems most here agree with voting for the lesser of two evils and lowering the standard so what’s the end game?
I don’t see the dems doing anything but lowering their bar to get down to complete socialism so that brings the republican bar down each cycle until ...what? I don’t know.
Apparently gun grabbing is ok with republican politicians now judging by lady session
I just don’t know what the end game is?
Is Maryland gonna start importing conservatives??
I do have a question, a serious question.
With more and more liberals moving in md every year as more and more 2a loving conservatives move out of md as fast as they can and every election cycle conservatives choose someone with lower and lower on the 2a totem pole and farther and farther left for the republican candidate for governor, where does this end and leave md?
I mean the lesser of two evils means lowering the standard every election.
How long until md is completely lost?
It seems most here agree with voting for the lesser of two evils and lowering the standard so what’s the end game?
I don’t see the dems doing anything but lowering their bar to get down to complete socialism so that brings the republican bar down each cycle until ...what? I don’t know.
Apparently gun grabbing is ok with republican politicians now judging by lady session
I just don’t know what the end game is?
Is Maryland gonna start importing conservatives??
It will leave MD at the mercy of many drawn-out legal battles that may well find their way to the SCOTUS. It's one of the reasons that trying to slow things down by opting for the more squishy Hogan instead of throwing votes away and indirectly supporting the immediately disastrous Jealous is the best strategy. Because if we can manage a little more time without this state jumping completely off the cliff, we may be able to rely on the Constitution and the Supreme Court to help claw our way back to a stand-off of sorts.
If 2A purists blow their votes virtue-signaling, and let the Socialist have the reigns, a lot of irreversible damage (local gun shops driven permanently out of business, many small and mid-sized employers crushed by leftist policies, many moderate to conservative voters fleeing the state) is a given. We don't have to LIKE Hogan or the circumstances that both and and we find ourselves. But we don't have to throw ourselves off the nearest lefty cliff in a tantrum, either.
At the national level, we dodged a huge bullet in 2016. Many of us voted for Trump specifically so we'd see him - rather than Hillary Clinton - replacing some justices on the Supreme Court. That's a good thing generally, but it could be a huge part of what ultimately saves a few rational scraps of Maryland over the next few years. So let's buy all the time we can instead of jumping into a virtue signaling suicide pact in the name of theatrics.
Since our mga is controlled by progressives elites and once mike and mike are gone and those socialist nutball from Baltimore with tenure take their place and if frosh is still in there it doesn’t matter who’s governor, so most of the work needs to be done in the mga and frosh needs to go BUT if republicans are put in the mga like most in there now it won’t matter as seen last session
And there are few , in comparison to my youth, gun stores now, 2a supporters are fleeing md along with the wealthy and mid size companies with any sense are watching the number of folks they employ OR are moving to adjoining states. So what you say will happen if a socialist gets the mansion. Is already happening and has been happening for many years, decades in the case of gun stores closing and 2a supporters leaving. The problem is the number of liberals moving in to suck on the government tit both from md and the Capitol
I have said it before, my taxes, all of them, have gone up since Hogan’s got in there and the red tape on construction jobs has gone up exponentially
Matlack
Scribe
- Dec 15, 2008
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You do realize that Republicans have incrementally made gains in the MGA over the past 3 decades? They are within 5 senators or 7 house members of being able to prevent veto overrides and can slow progression of bad Bill's. This wasn't an overnight thing. Never will be. Allow the electorate to see popular Republicans in office making their lives better, and you can start seeing more conservative voices in the MGA and State House. Twice Miller has been within 1 vote of being replaced as speaker.
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