HPRB March 15, 2016 Meeting Thread

fidelity said:

Dumb move from a PR perspective. The number of overturns is a drop in the bucket, maybe 20-25 a year at the place they're going. So if the MGA keeps pursuing this, it becomes a news story, the small number of overturns gets noted, the MGA's desire to remove civilian oversight despite the few overturns is reported, and probably a sympathetic figure or two is interviewed. Maybe it's also reported the concealed permit carriers have an extremely low rate of shooting others, and maybe it's also reported that they undergo extensive training, background checks, and fingerprinting to be eligible. Does the State continue with the farce that they have a shall issue standard if the MGA works so hard to tip the scales to prevent 25 or so additional individuals a year from getting permits? Especially if the reporting reveals the system has a standard to allow a person with a check to his business to carry a gun to protect it but not a mother who wants to protect her kids? Frankly, we need the publicity.

On a related note, if the MGA makes this move, what's to prevent Hogan from fixing the issue through LD appointments (other than political cowardice)?

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rbird7282 said:

The problem is that most people in MD don't care. The local media most likely wouldn't even report on it. Look at how long it took to get rid of the shell casing program. Most Marylanders probably thought it was a good idea even though they had no clue how it worked. (And that it didn't solve one crime)
The MGA, the media, and a large part of the citizenry has portrayed guns as evil. They have had that PR machine in place for decades. This wouldn't hurt them one bit.

If the MGA doesn't approve the current board members then Hogan could appoint another set of people similar to what we have now. (With two exceptions) We could get to the next session and then have them thrown out and start all over. Even if he does appoint new people, look at how much time it took for them to try to fix all of the underhanded/illegal stuff the HPRB was doing before!
Of course if MD were true Shall Issue, none of this crap would even exist

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fidelity said:

Dumb move from a PR perspective. The number of overturns is a drop in the bucket, maybe 20-25 a year at the place they're going. So if the MGA keeps pursuing this, it becomes a news story, the small number of overturns gets noted, the MGA's desire to remove civilian oversight despite the few overturns is reported, and probably a sympathetic figure or two is interviewed. Maybe it's also reported the concealed permit carriers have an extremely low rate of shooting others, and maybe it's also reported that they undergo extensive training, background checks, and fingerprinting to be eligible. Does the State continue with the farce that they have a shall issue standard if the MGA works so hard to tip the scales to prevent 25 or so additional individuals a year from getting permits? Especially if the reporting reveals the system has a standard to allow a person with a check to his business to carry a gun to protect it but not a mother who wants to protect her kids? Frankly, we need the publicity.

On a related note, if the MGA makes this move, what's to prevent Hogan from fixing the issue through LD appointments (other than political cowardice)?

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iCoder80 said:

I think the question becomes, who pays for it?

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Mark75H said:

Presupposes a lot of media chief editor writing things our way and not their way. Simple omission of a word or two changes the perceived meaning of many stories.

Mainly, assumes it would be covered at all, which unfortunately, I doubt.

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boundlessdyad said:

It actually did solve one case. But only one. Some guy named Jason something or other who worked for UPS and did some home invasions and murders in PG County.

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fidelity said:

I think sunlight doesn't hurt. The MGA is investing time and capital over a very small number of folks getting permits in MD to the end that they will prove shall issue is a myth and one needs to be a business owner to merit a permit. Sure, we might lose a battle and they may change how the HPRB is appointed or whether it exists. We can't do anything to change this if they are moving down this path. However I don't see it as a complete negative if it draws some media attention, and even if the media are skewed, some try to balance coverage. The Post covers in detail gun restriction legislation in MD. The MGA were mocked in the media for their recent toy gun ban legislation. Who would have thought?

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BeoBill said:

suspended a grade school child for having a Pop Tart eaten into the shape of either a gun or the state of Idaho

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csanc123 said:

Oops wrong thread.

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dblas said:

Nope, it verified that the firearm found was the one used in the crime, after the detectives already had enough evidence to arrest, and charge the felon. The firearm was found after the arrest, and the arrest was based on other evidence.

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boundlessdyad said:

You are correct solve wasn't the right word. It was used as evidence in the prosecution of one case is what I should have said.

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