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Old February 13th, 2018, 11:52 AM #71
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Your optimism is admirable, but I fear you did hit your head when you fell off the turnip truck.
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Old February 13th, 2018, 12:08 PM #72
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Difference is back in 2008, the democrat party, and both Obama and Clinton were against same sex marriage, as were Republicans. Then I think the Democrat party thought by supporting it, they could pull the LGBTQ?????? (for whatever initials they start to add) to their side. I really think a lot of that was just for votes, like immigration. And the media simply followed cause they will support whatever the Dems support. With gun rights, the lines are already drawn with R's for and D's against. Get the D's to support gun rights and the media will follow. But if the D's supported, we wouldn't need the media!
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Old February 13th, 2018, 08:00 PM #73
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Does anyone know where the 60 votes to pass the senate comes from? I've been told by numerous "teachers" that a simple majority is all that's needed in the senate for a bill to pass.
Problem is, we got us a limp dick named Sing Along with Mitch McConnell who ainít got enuff balls to invoke the nuclear option like the Dems already did when they was in charge.
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Does anyone know where the 60 votes to pass the senate comes from? I've been told by numerous "teachers" that a simple majority is all that's needed in the senate for a bill to pass.
It takes a 3/5 majority to cut off debate (called cloture) and proceed to a majority vote.

3/5 x 100=60
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Old February 13th, 2018, 08:17 PM #75
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Back in olden times weren't votes plied with booze and women? The Dems are pretty susceptible to that I'd think.
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Republicans could try to attach it to a must pass bill but that's incredibly unlikely.

The state level issue is obviously numbers. There are more of them than us. We may be able to score small victories one day when Republicans have enough votes in the legislature to mount a filibuster and/or sustain a veto. Absent that they have zero leverage. Democrats can pass whatever they want. The only thing they can't really screw with is the budget when there's a Republican governor.
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The Dems removed the 60 vote rule for District Court judicial appointments only.

Then Mitch removed it for SCOTUS appointments.

legislation still requires 60 votes to cut off debate.
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Dems were willing to shut down the gov over DACA. There is no longer such thing as “must pass” they would rather keep the gov closed than vote for anything that has this tied to it. So attaching to spending bills is out.

They need to be willing to lose something the Dems really want and pass them both together.

Problem is the republicans don’t really want reciprocity, and they darn sure are not willing to lose something else to get it passed.
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Iím starting to think the influx of Russian money to the dems is a strategic disarmament besides the fact it leans towards dividing a countries people.
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In the past I have seen state constitutional amendments put on a ballot proposition for the electorate.
The gun control groups don't have paying members but they have massively more money and have evolved to the point where over 90% of that money is raised on charitable deductions.

they would LOVE such an attempt in a place like Maryland because it would help them GROW. They would raise 25 million in charitably deductible money and spend it on "education campaigns" . Right now there re about 275 professional full time employees of various gun control lobby groups --they be able to put 500 on the payrolls with their work from 9am to 4:45 pm on their twinned 501(c)3 and 4:45 to 5:00 pm on their non deductible 49% political activity allowed C4.
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