Go Back   Maryland Shooters > Gun Rights and Legislation > Maryland 2A Issues
Don't Have An Account? Register Here

Join MD Shooters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old February 13th, 2018, 08:13 PM #81
Doctor_M's Avatar
Doctor_M Doctor_M is offline
Certified Mad Scientist
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: The People's Republic of Maryland
Posts: 11,486
Doctor_M Doctor_M is offline
Certified Mad Scientist
Doctor_M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: The People's Republic of Maryland
Posts: 11,486
Let's not forget that the lovely NJ is going full-retard and trying to limit mags/cylinders to 5 rounds.

This nonsense has got to come to an end.
Doctor_M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 13th, 2018, 08:19 PM #82
boothdoc's Avatar
boothdoc boothdoc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,495
boothdoc boothdoc is offline
Senior Member
boothdoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,495
Scary stuff to me.

We have ben sending my emails and correspondence to everyone. I hope we can get this sidelined this year.

Wondering if this and this gun rights legislation section should be like the water cooler?
Just a thought.
__________________
I used to have some firearms but lost them in The boating accident. I am so sad.

"THOSE WHO WOULD SACRIFICE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVE NEITHER"
boothdoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 13th, 2018, 08:40 PM #83
mpickering mpickering is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shores of the Bay, MD
Posts: 1,025
mpickering mpickering is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Shores of the Bay, MD
Posts: 1,025
The issue with these proposals is two-fold:

1) They don't grandfather existing magazines. That violates ex post facto.

2) They require the magazines to be turned in for destruction without compensation. This violates the 5th Amendment as a "taking".

How are these laws not even being talked about violating the US Constitution on this basis? Forget the 2nd Amendment, this violates other aspects of the Constitution as well and should be argued on that point, in my opinion.

Matt
mpickering is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 13th, 2018, 08:42 PM #84
danb's Avatar
danb danb is online now
W T F
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Howard County
Posts: 15,439
danb danb is online now
W T F
danb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Howard County
Posts: 15,439
Actually, its always good to see that the Dems actually do want to confiscate firearms. Its not paranoia if they really are out to get you. The only uses for a registry are confiscation and taxation.

Also, Anthony Brown ran on guns guns guns... did not work out so well.
danb is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 13th, 2018, 11:50 PM #85
Stephen M Stephen M is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MoCo
Posts: 62
Stephen M Stephen M is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: MoCo
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpickering View Post
The issue with these proposals is two-fold:

1) They don't grandfather existing magazines. That violates ex post facto.

2) They require the magazines to be turned in for destruction without compensation. This violates the 5th Amendment as a "taking".

How are these laws not even being talked about violating the US Constitution on this basis? Forget the 2nd Amendment, this violates other aspects of the Constitution as well and should be argued on that point, in my opinion.

Matt
On 1), the ex post facto prohibition only applies if they tried to charge you with illegal possession after the law passed on the basis of having possessed magazines BEFORE the law passed. But they can indeed charge you with illegal possession if the law passes and you continue to possess the magazines. It wouldn't matter when you purchased them, since it's the possession, not the purchase, that's the crime. Grandfathering is often politically expedient but isn't necessary to avoid running afoul of ex post facto.

On 2), I think it might be tough to make a 5th amendment claim. The property isn't being taken for public use, and if the law passes, the property is not legally held.

IANAL, and would certainly be interested in hearing other perspectives on this. Particularly other precedents of an item being banned without grandfathering or compensation.
Stephen M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2018, 12:02 AM #86
Mr Bear's Avatar
Mr Bear Mr Bear is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,056
Mr Bear Mr Bear is offline
Senior Member
Mr Bear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,056
California tried this & it was shot down by federal judge in 7/17.
Mr Bear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2018, 01:19 AM #87
WeaponsCollector's Avatar
WeaponsCollector WeaponsCollector is offline
EXTREME GUN OWNER
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Southern MD
Posts: 11,019
Images: 47
WeaponsCollector WeaponsCollector is offline
EXTREME GUN OWNER
WeaponsCollector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Southern MD
Posts: 11,019
Images: 47
"They can take my magazines the same way they can take my guns - Bullets First."
__________________
...the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
- MARYLAND CONSTITUTION - DECLARATION OF RIGHTS Art. 6

The Chicago police department said the best way to defend yourself from a violent attacker is to vomit on yourself. I think flinging poo could work a little better. But NOTHING beats flinging LEAD!
WeaponsCollector is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2018, 06:29 AM #88
89GLH 89GLH is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 81
89GLH 89GLH is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by danb View Post
LOOK! Over there!! A high capacity clipazine!!!
(Looks around cautiously) Do you know where I can pick up a few clipazines...? Cash in hand...
/s

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk
89GLH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2018, 06:54 AM #89
Doctor_M's Avatar
Doctor_M Doctor_M is offline
Certified Mad Scientist
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: The People's Republic of Maryland
Posts: 11,486
Doctor_M Doctor_M is offline
Certified Mad Scientist
Doctor_M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: The People's Republic of Maryland
Posts: 11,486
Quote:
Originally Posted by 89GLH View Post
(Looks around cautiously) Do you know where I can pick up a few clipazines...? Cash in hand...
/s

Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk
Yes... they still sell them in America.
Doctor_M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2018, 07:01 AM #90
cantstop's Avatar
cantstop cantstop is offline
...
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: HoCo
Posts: 3,562
cantstop cantstop is offline
...
cantstop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: HoCo
Posts: 3,562
Bump-stocks are no different.

Once they poke a hole (establish precedent) they can sink the whole ship (second amendment).

This will continue until the second amendment is legislated into meaningless words.
cantstop is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > Gun Rights and Legislation > Maryland 2A Issues


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
2018, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service