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  • Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,687
    I'm not willing to get an HQL. It just seems wrong, like so much of what the General Assembly does.

    Eventually the courts will deal with MD. For those doubters among us, I point to Illinois and DC. I never expected them to go shall-issue in my lifetime.

    Old handguns are just fine. A C&R FFL03 will bring them to my mailbox with no info to MSP or the MD government, at a cost of $30 for 3 years.
     

    RuralRifleGuy

    Active Member
    Aug 16, 2018
    918
    Queenstown
    It is wrong on many levels but it’s not about the money. They put a bunch of hoops in place TO STOP PEOPLE FROM BUYING NEW FIREARMS. You now aren’t buying handguns. There are now less firearms in the state than there would be without the HQL. Fight the HQL (and all of the other infringements) tooth and nail but don’t fall for their BS. Go get one and buy all the firearms you can (at least those that the crown have deemed acceptable for us peasants) just to spite them and their back-door attempts at gun control.

    This. Then get designated collector status and buy as many as you want at a time. One per 30 days is what they expect the common person to do, they don't expect most people to know or care about the designated collector option. My next LGS trip is for 4-5 items including some lowers.

    If you don't want to do their class look into hunter safety, there's a thread on here about doing it online. That's the route I went because I can't dedicate 8 hours on a Saturday morning. HS takes longer but I guarantee I learned more important information from it than I would have in the 8 hour class.
     

    Rack&Roll

    R.I.P
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 23, 2013
    22,304
    Bunkerville, MD
    I’m not aware of an language in the law that requires the SELLER of a handgun to possess an HQL.

    Yes, if you do a handgun transfer at the MD State Police barracks, troopers routinely ask the seller for their HQL but they are asking because it’s not against the law to ask for it—and because they love all the tracking data they can get.
     

    dad4

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 11, 2013
    1,629
    Cecil County
    I'm not willing to get an HQL. It just seems wrong, like so much of what the General Assembly does.

    Eventually the courts will deal with MD. For those doubters among us, I point to Illinois and DC. I never expected them to go shall-issue in my lifetime.

    Old handguns are just fine. A C&R FFL03 will bring them to my mailbox with no info to MSP or the MD government, at a cost of $30 for 3 years.

    We definitely see eye to eye on this. I could not have stated it more clearly.
     

    Uncle Duke

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 2, 2013
    11,664
    Not Far Enough from the City
    Whistlers Mother in post #9 comes closest to sumation .

    A lower , that is not a rifle or handgun ( among other things , if no upper/ bbl , can not be defined as either a rifle or handgun ) is transfered as " Other " . Such an AR reciever , either stripped, or complete excluding upper , must do a 77R and 7 day wait , but HQL Not required .

    When you fill out the 77R online, click Exempt , and a drop box will appear with multiple reasons to potentially check off . Of note are : Reciever Only , and Curio & Relic which we will discuss below .

    Handguns designated by Federal Gov't as C&R require the 77R and 7day wait, but Not HQL . C&R includes everything 50yrs plus, and also specific guns/ variants so listed by ATF .

    Dating back to 2013 , there has been debate in the Gun Rights Community over this . One side holds that the whole thing is inherently an unconscionable prior restraint upon a Fundamental Right , and thereby refused to get one . The other side is that racing out to comply somehow * Sticks it to the Man * . I have been outspoken on this , but at this point in time don't frequently try to change people's minds .

    The real victims are people born after 1992 . Certain numbers will be overcome with desire for the latest combat tupperware . Dealers have a vested interest in encouraging HQL compliance .

    Yes, " somebody " ought to do somthing about this . Sombody is . Maryland Shall Issue ( MSI) has an active Federal Lawsuit challenging the HQL . Donate generously to the MSI Legal Fund , which goes 100% to paying the lawyers for the several litigations protecting and regaining our Rights .

    Someone more computer savy please post the donation link in this thread .

    Link for HQL Fund for court challenge specific donations, or to join MSI:

    https://www.marylandshallissue.org/.../cbpaidsubscriptions?do=display_subscriptions
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,774
    Baltimore County
    You are only seeing what the media wants you to see in France. The dirty little secret (if you find and read their full list of demands) of the yellow vests is that they want MORE socialist policies. It was not just about the fuel tax. So, in a sense, what you happened into was a comparison of the socialist left in France and the rising socialist movement within the United States.

    The question is, will patriots in the United States be able to form enough solidarity to halt the already well-organized left which is supported by the media and the ultra rich?

    Hello there Friend. TBH, I think we might be more on the same page than you think. I only cited that article just to give a reference to others in case anyone was totally unfamiliar with the Yellow vest thing. I wrote it not to even begin to talk about the reasons they are revolting, but the fact that they "the people" have determined that their gov. is not doing what they want, so they are doing what they feel they need to do to affect change. I wrote it to show that they have solidarity that I hope we don't lack.

    I think you summed up better than I could have when you wrote this.
    "The question is, will patriots in the United States be able to form enough solidarity to halt the already well-organized left which is supported by the media and the ultra rich?"

    That is really what I'm asking. Will patriots here be able to get on the same page and in numbers to effect change.
    I always like to add >>>through email and talking to our politicians.
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,774
    Baltimore County
    It is wrong on many levels but it’s not about the money. They put a bunch of hoops in place TO STOP PEOPLE FROM BUYING NEW FIREARMS. You now aren’t buying handguns. There are now less firearms in the state than there would be without the HQL. Fight the HQL (and all of the other infringements) tooth and nail but don’t fall for their BS. Go get one and buy all the firearms you can (at least those that the crown have deemed acceptable for us peasants) just to spite them and their back-door attempts at gun control.

    I have never thought of the hql being a way to stopping me from buying firearms, but sure enough it sure is. I bought guns before the hql thing and I have believe it or not, gotten even more guns after hql than before, all legally, just not done the hql thing as I see it as a list to be put onto that I don't want to be on.

    After reading your post, I might reconsider and go ahead and get it. I mean, I already have prints on file from military and civilian jobs, just not on the hql list. So it's not about avoiding fingerprints. It was my way of avoiding another list. I might reconsider based on looking at it differently now regarding a back door attempt at gun control. I just hate unnecessary steps put in the way by gov for the purpose of list gathering and fee collecting. Its those two actions (list and tax) that I have avoided it in the past. I'm still on the fence, but I might, just might reconsider based on your post. Thank you.
    (it's obviously an infringement, so that's why I left that part out. There are legal ways around that, so I did not mention infringement as my two actions)
     

    Nay_sayer

    ...
    May 30, 2013
    601
    Lothian, MD
    I have never thought of the hql being a way to stopping me from buying firearms, but sure enough it sure is. I bought guns before the hql thing and I have believe it or not, gotten even more guns after hql than before, all legally, just not done the hql thing as I see it as a list to be put onto that I don't want to be on.

    After reading your post, I might reconsider and go ahead and get it. I mean, I already have prints on file from military and civilian jobs, just not on the hql list. So it's not about avoiding fingerprints. It was my way of avoiding another list. I might reconsider based on looking at it differently now regarding a back door attempt at gun control. I just hate unnecessary steps put in the way by gov for the purpose of list gathering and fee collecting. Its those two actions (list and tax) that I have avoided it in the past. I'm still on the fence, but I might, just might reconsider based on your post. Thank you.
    (it's obviously an infringement, so that's why I left that part out. There are legal ways around that, so I did not mention infringement as my two actions)

    Haha. I hear ya. I worried about being on another list until I realized I’m probably already on the other lists they’ll cross-reference that one with!
     

    PowPow

    Where's the beef?
    Nov 22, 2012
    4,712
    Howard County
    Hello there Friend. TBH, I think we might be more on the same page than you think. I only cited that article just to give a reference to others in case anyone was totally unfamiliar with the Yellow vest thing. I wrote it not to even begin to talk about the reasons they are revolting, but the fact that they "the people" have determined that their gov. is not doing what they want, so they are doing what they feel they need to do to affect change. I wrote it to show that they have solidarity that I hope we don't lack.

    I think you summed up better than I could have when you wrote this.
    "The question is, will patriots in the United States be able to form enough solidarity to halt the already well-organized left which is supported by the media and the ultra rich?"

    That is really what I'm asking. Will patriots here be able to get on the same page and in numbers to effect change.
    I always like to add >>>through email and talking to our politicians.

    Amen. I'd also add that those patriots should buy more ammo. (while they still can)
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,877
    Thanks Uncle Duke ! And for those who have to keep extra low profile, or are just recreationally paranoid , at every gun show and event MSI has a can for legal fund donations, that accepts totally anonymous cash money .

    We can and will debate ad nasaum the HQL strategies for already gun enthusiasts . But the HQL is absolutely intended, and successful at discouraging new handgun owners .

    The additional cash outlay will increase the marginal cost of acquiring a first handgun by 50-100 % And as much or more than the cash , requiring physically taking the time ( including transportation ) to attend a class, and go to a livescan location . And turn a 7 day delay into 5-8 weeks delay for initial purchase .

    For someone with real time safety issues, they're SOL . For someone considering taking up recreational pistol shooting or handgun hunting , the delayed ability to actually begin, will discourage them from taking it up.
     

    Bob A

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    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,687
    There are reasonable responsibilities expected of anyone that owns a firearm, however, I believe Maryland's laws go way beyond that.

    There are reasonable responsibilities expected of lawmakers; I believe that Maryland's lawmakers go way beyond irresponsible legislating, well into sedition territory.

    Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority.

    Of course, the MD GA is doing its best to destroy the once-established order.
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    It's not the money. It's the entire infringement. Even if it were free it would be an unconstititional infringement. Even if they paid ME to get the HQL, it would STILL be a tyrannical infringement.

    Tell me again why it's bad, in principal, to require prospective voters to pass a simple literacy test, or civics test, or currant events test?
    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    It is wrong on many levels but it’s not about the money. They put a bunch of hoops in place TO STOP PEOPLE FROM BUYING NEW FIREARMS. You now aren’t buying handguns. There are now less firearms in the state than there would be without the HQL. Fight the HQL (and all of the other infringements) tooth and nail but don’t fall for their BS. Go get one and buy all the firearms you can (at least those that the crown have deemed acceptable for us peasants) just to spite them and their back-door attempts at gun control.
    The only problem I have with your post, is that you seem to belittle anyone who refuses to get an HQL.

    I respect all that got one (or will), as well as those who will never will.

    I don’t know who sells lowers as “other” so I’m afraid I’m not much help there.
    Every lower I own (if any) was sold as 'Other'

    I'm not willing to get an HQL. It just seems wrong, like so much of what the General Assembly does.

    Eventually the courts will deal with MD. For those doubters among us, I point to Illinois and DC. I never expected them to go shall-issue in my lifetime.

    Old handguns are just fine. A C&R FFL03 will bring them to my mailbox with no info to MSP or the MD government, at a cost of $30 for 3 years.
    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     

    dmable44

    Active Member
    Jul 4, 2018
    117
    Every lower I own (if any) was sold as 'Other'

    So if I go to a shop and ask for a stripped lower they’ll sell it to me as “other” without an HQL? Or do I have to specifically ask for it as “other”? What about dedicated 9mm or 308 lowers?

    As I stated previously, from the 4 shops that I have interacted with, an HQL seemed to be required for anything AR lower related... or am I going to the wrong shops?
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    So if I go to a shop and ask for a stripped lower they’ll sell it to me as “other” without an HQL? Or do I have to specifically ask for it as “other”? What about dedicated 9mm or 308 lowers?

    As I stated previously, from the 4 shops that I have interacted with, an HQL seemed to be required for anything AR lower related... or am I going to the wrong shops?
    Yes, alas, you are.

    Not sure where you are located. Call MDS Industry Partner Baltimore's Best Pawn in Finksburg. They transferred my (alleged) lower as other.

    Or search the Industry Partners thread for a dealer near you. I'd be very surprised if they all didn't transfer as 'Other'.

    https://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=106
     

    Nay_sayer

    ...
    May 30, 2013
    601
    Lothian, MD
    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    The only problem I have with your post, is that you seem to belittle anyone who refuses to get an HQL

    I respect all that got one (or will), as well as those who will never will.

    Every lower I own (if any) was sold as 'Other'

    It was not meant to belittle anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to make their own choices. I 100% respect that. It’s the internet so everything will automatically be taken in the worst possible way and anything negative which can be inferred will be inferred.

    That part of my post wasn’t meant as “every place that I know of which sells lowers sells them as “X” and requires an HQL”. I literally don’t know who does or doesn’t sell them as “other” not requiring an HQL.
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    It was not meant to belittle anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to make their own choices. I 100% respect that. It’s the internet so everything will automatically be taken in the worst possible way and anything negative which can be inferred will be inferred.

    That part of my post wasn’t meant as “every place that I know of which sells lowers sells them as “X” and requires an HQL”. I literally don’t know who does or doesn’t sell them as “other” not requiring an HQL.


    Fair enough. I am overly cynical as of late. Mea culpa.

    Thank you sir

    :thumbsup:
     

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