More Maryland gun owners need to take this stance..

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    UNRECONSTRUCTED
    I respect the people and premise of the PP.. that said, I have heard first hand from liberal delegates that the only thing the PP brings them is laughter..I think it would take 10s of thousands of protesters to make them stand up and take it seriously. I'm not saying it should stop..I just their are other means of protest that should also be incorporated into MDS repertoire. EVEN if it means open defiance and civil disobedience.

    I'm not sure what it's going to take. I remember a few thousand of us showed up and lined up to testify for the BS they ended us showing down our throats in 2013. That same year I think something like 80K showed up for a superbowl parade in Baltimore. I really don't think the average Marylander really gives a $hit. Very sad.
     

    BeoBill

    Crank in the Third Row
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 3, 2013
    27,058
    南馬里蘭州鮑伊
    noncompliance in silence is equal to letting the schoolyard bully push you around and then talking to your friends about it in the safety of your home after school, only to be bullied the next day and repeating the talk with your friends.

    it does not change the fact that you are pushed around and can only speak out in privacy.


    in reality, you need to throw sand in the face of the bully and kick him in the nuts if he does not listen to you the first time you tell him to stop infringing on your rights. then he will question if he wants to bully you again.


    when you do noncompliance in silence as most do, all it does it let them give out 1 felony count at a time to individuals


    think about this:
    you have a job in a plant that gives 1 30 min break every 4 hours
    you and your coworkers want a 10 min break every 2 hours and a 20 min break every 4 from start of day.
    you all decide that on your own you will just go ahead and individually take 10 in break after 2 hours and then go back to work.
    its unorganized and each doing their own thing
    a few get caught not working for a period of 10 in after 2 hours
    they get suspended from work
    the rest fall in line and go back to their break every 4 hours from start of day.
    they could have gotten a different result if ALL workers decided to collectively and openly oppose and insist by going outside together after 2 hours for 10 minutes and then returning to work. the employer would not fire the entirety of the workforce for a ten minute break and you would have set a new standard. you must stand in solidarity or you will fall alone.

    I'm sorry, but that horse left the barn a long, long time ago.
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    noncompliance in silence is equal to letting the schoolyard bully push you around and then talking to your friends about it in the safety of your home after school, only to be bullied the next day and repeating the talk with your friends.

    it does not change the fact that you are pushed around and can only speak out in privacy.


    in reality, you need to throw sand in the face of the bully and kick him in the nuts if he does not listen to you the first time you tell him to stop infringing on your rights. then he will question if he wants to bully you again.


    when you do noncompliance in silence as most do, all it does it let them give out 1 felony count at a time to individuals


    think about this:
    you have a job in a plant that gives 1 30 min break every 4 hours
    you and your coworkers want a 10 min break every 2 hours and a 20 min break every 4 from start of day.
    you all decide that on your own you will just go ahead and individually take 10 in break after 2 hours and then go back to work.
    its unorganized and each doing their own thing
    a few get caught not working for a period of 10 in after 2 hours
    they get suspended from work
    the rest fall in line and go back to their break every 4 hours from start of day.
    they could have gotten a different result if ALL workers decided to collectively and openly oppose and insist by going outside together after 2 hours for 10 minutes and then returning to work. the employer would not fire the entirety of the workforce for a ten minute break and you would have set a new standard. you must stand in solidarity or you will fall alone.
    Are YOU going to walk up to Frosh / the cops / any authority figure, and say you are breaking the law?

    Out of your 20 odd posts here, the great majority are 'the government sucks and is all powerful', 'protesting in silence is worthless', and assorted other opinions that contribute very little, overall.

    About the only thing you wrote that I can support is this:

    ... I'd rather not have my rights be infringed and maintain my own security without a 20 min lag from call to coos on site. Let's face it. If the reason you are calling the cops is because there is someone you can't defend against you should probably have a gun to sway things in your favor. If the criminal has a gun then at least you have a level playing field. If you have to wait any time for your own defense then YOU did not take control of your own security and couple potentially be harmed because you failed to prepare .....

    At least you haven't been rude to anyone. :thumbsup:
     

    Odarlin1

    Ultimate Member
    If things continue the way they are, eventually every gun owner in the country is going to be forced to comply or fight..there will be no middle ground..so, are we going to slough off our responsibility to fight now, or force our children and grandchildren to fight because we stood by and hid in our basements? This isn't just about guns..our enemies on the left (and regardless how you feel, they ARE our enemies) want to replace our current free market economy with socialism, they want to control us from cradle to grave and they want a monopoly on power..none of which they can do without permission from the American gun owner..so bury your heads in the ground all you'd like. .they are still coming for your guns and your freedom. .if you are not actively pushing back you're part of the problem..

    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
     

    Odarlin1

    Ultimate Member
    I'm not sure what it's going to take. I remember a few thousand of us showed up and lined up to testify for the BS they ended us showing down our throats in 2013. That same year I think something like 80K showed up for a superbowl parade in Baltimore. I really don't think the average Marylander really gives a $hit. Very sad.

    I was thinking about that, too. There were 1000's of people in Annapolis and they rammed it. You are also correct that more people care about sports than what rights are being taken because the Government has made it so we have to work so hard - 2 jobs many times to take care of our families, kids and so relaxation comes in the form of government generated entertainment - like sports. It's part of the plan. They are going to do what they want, when they want and all the while,as you always say "bread and circuses" for the peasants.
     

    Odarlin1

    Ultimate Member
    Are YOU going to walk up to Frosh / the cops / any authority figure, and say you are breaking the law?

    That is why it needs to be a concerted effort. There is power in numbers - power to the people! The Government works for us, remember?

    Out of your 20 odd posts here, the great majority are 'the government sucks and is all powerful', 'protesting in silence is worthless', and assorted other opinions that contribute very little, overall.

    About the only thing you wrote that I can support is this:



    At least you haven't been rude to anyone. :thumbsup:

    :thumbsup:
     

    44man

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    10,129
    southern md
    When caught behind enemy lines I can understand silence but even in silence those behind enemy lines must do whatever possible to sway the views of politicians and the public that the second amendment is a civil right.

    All gun owners need to do whatever they can do to advance the cause, the problem is IMO, is most do little to nothing.

    Non compliance is easy enough. Donate donate donate that’s easy enough. Call your reps, write and email them. Go see them. If you can join the PP do so. If you can’t then do whatever you can. Donate time at election time. Put up signs...
     

    danb

    dont be a dumbass
    Feb 24, 2013
    22,704
    google is your friend, I am not.
    So you're good with keeping your non compliance to yourself instead of fighting...sure glad our founding fathers didn't see it that way..only cowards dig a hole and bury theirr heads..they are coming for your guns too..guess you will hand them over

    Are you going to feed people's family while they are in jail? Pay the mortgage? Pay for college? No. Name calling from neckbeards is a dime a dozen on the internet. In real life, smart people avail themselves of ALL their constitutional rights and STFU.
     

    Rebel59

    Hater of Kings and Queens
    Apr 8, 2018
    981
    Went fishing
    At this stage of the game I see one of three things happening, (1) STFU and wait to be picked off one at a time.... (2) March around, scream and shout, and become a primary target..... (3) Make the folks responsible for destroying this country fear for their and their family's safety to the point they would never back such legislation. I'm not proposing anything, just an observation. Also no disrespect to the people actively fighting for gun rights in MD. and else ware, your the reason we can have anything at all. Past the point of no return I'm afraid.
     

    Docster

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 19, 2010
    9,768
    Right now I disagree that silent noncompliance is akin to enabling the powers that be. All of those noncompliers are accumulating shitload of guns and ammo for what may come next that will make enforcement an impossible joke. The question to be considered is do we advertise our intent not to comply or remain anonymous and let the politicians find out the realities on their own? That could be both embarrassing AND entertaining.

    IMHO, quiet, sustained anarchy (..."lack of obedience to an authority; insubordination") corresponds to refusing to obey unconstitutional laws so it should not be morally objectionable to most. As in any battle I wouldn't telegraph my moves.....
     

    ComeGet

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 1, 2015
    5,911
    So, I'm a part of the problem and in cahoots with the gun grabbers and socialists now? OK, good to know. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    :sad20:
     

    fidelity

    piled higher and deeper
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 15, 2012
    22,400
    Frederick County
    The sign stack is ready.



    We knew when we printed them that they were not one-day signs...
    I just googled the phrase, "more patriots than you have handcuffs" and it seems that you and colleagues were the first to use it. Most that I can find is ARay's video of the protest after the Annapolis arrest ...



    Might make for a popular t-shirt for the upcoming legislative session.

    As per the discussion in this thread of strategic approaches if there is a mag ban or similar bills tendered this next session, I will likely take the approach of directly talking to Democratic party legislators from my district in their Frederick area offices (albeit in work clothes/button down shirt).

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    Doctor_M

    Certified Mad Scientist
    MDS Supporter
    I'll just leave this little bit of wisdom here.

    civil-disobedience-gandhi.jpg
     

    5cary

    On the spreading edge of the butter knife.
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2007
    3,633
    Sykesville, MD
    The Constitution is on our side.

    Unfortunately, the law is on their side...The ONLY option we have here behind enemy lines is to do all we can to ensure that SCOTUS stays strong. Short of having their laws struck down, the libs will not pay the slightest attention to reason or Constitutional arguments (or marches or stickers or signs). The simple truth is that they hold as much contempt for 2A 'protesters' as we do for ***** hat crowd.

    I fear the Court is our only hope - and that's only good as long as enough land remains un-poisoned to prevent Constitutional amendment. Revocation of 2A is the liberal Holy Grail.
     

    pcfixer

    Ultimate Member
    May 24, 2009
    5,947
    Marylandstan
    Right now I disagree that silent noncompliance is akin to enabling the powers that be. All of those noncompliers are accumulating shitload of guns and ammo for what may come next that will make enforcement an impossible joke. The question to be considered is do we advertise our intent not to comply or remain anonymous and let the politicians find out the realities on their own? That could be both embarrassing AND entertaining.

    IMHO, quiet, sustained anarchy (..."lack of obedience to an authority; insubordination") corresponds to refusing to obey unconstitutional laws so it should not be morally objectionable to most. As in any battle I wouldn't telegraph my moves.....

    My friends and neighbor know my intent.
    I speak with Sheriff Chuck on occasion to wit he is aware on illegal orders also.
     

    randomuser

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 12, 2018
    5,774
    Baltimore County
    The Constitution is on our side.

    Unfortunately, the law is on their side...The ONLY option we have here behind enemy lines is to do all we can to ensure that SCOTUS stays strong. Short of having their laws struck down, the libs will not pay the slightest attention to reason or Constitutional arguments (or marches or stickers or signs). The simple truth is that they hold as much contempt for 2A 'protesters' as we do for ***** hat crowd.

    I fear the Court is our only hope - and that's only good as long as enough land remains un-poisoned to prevent Constitutional amendment. Revocation of 2A is the liberal Holy Grail.

    They don't have to revoke it. Each generation forgets a little bit.

    Buckling up has always been a good idea, but you could buckle up or not.

    Then they made it so that if you got pulled over and were not bucked you got a ticket (you could not be pulled over for seatbelt alone)

    Then once everyone was used to that being in place it progressed to make it more safe by changing the law to allow you to be pulled over for not having a seatbelt

    Off topic for 2a, but seatbelt related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpNVVornOg


    Point is that by the time our kids have kids they will be so used to bolt action only ar15's (if the ar15 is even allowed at that time) they will have forgotten that 30 round mags were even something that we used to have.

    it happens so incrementally. They change things so slowly that the public never has enough reason to get up in arms, but adopts to the new restrictions. Then more new restrictions are put in place and the cycle continues.
     

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