Griffin Recce 7 vs Rugged Razor 7

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  • John from MD

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    May 12, 2005
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    I'm planning to buy a 30 cal can that can be used on both 300BO and .223.

    The Griffin has a great rep for being very quiet yet the Rugged Razor has a replaceable end cap. Can anyone help me make this decision?

    TIA
     

    alucard0822

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    Oct 29, 2007
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    Both are decent cans, although would go with the Griffin Xplorr tubeless over the Recce, smaller, lighter, quieter, better in most every way. My Xplorr 30 cal sounds awesome on 300BO subs, really good on 5.56 and 308 too. Generally 30 cal cans/caps are easier to live with on semi-autos, less blowback in 5.56, but sized right for 300BO allowing you to choke off more gas or run really short barrels reliably when suppressed. In most tests where a can has replaceable caps, it's a couple DB louder at the muzzle and the same or quieter at the ear with a 30 cal cap vs 22, so 0 need for 22 caps unless you want to suppress a bolt action. The Paladin is at lease user serviceable, which is nice, but kinda pointless unless you plan on shooting a LOT of cast subsonics. Much comes down to mount, griffin mounts are awesome, they are on all my rifle cal stuff, and taper mount adapters work with Dead air, YHM and Sico cans(and many others). Rugged cans are awesome, but you are stuck with their mount /muzzle device setup, and they don't make mounts for other cans.
     

    woodline

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    Both are probably overkill for .300blk, but will do the job. Are you planning on shooting mostly supers or subs?

    Back when the Rugged Razor was in the $500-$600 price range, it was easy to recommend. It doesn’t have the best sound reduction, but wasn’t bad either. Otherwise it is very durable and fairly light weight. But now it’s closer to $750 in price. At that price point, it has stiff competition in durability, and even stiffer performance competition for sound reduction. Probably its most direct competitor would be the Dead Air Sandman S.

    The Recce 7 is creeping up on 20 ounces in weight, but is also very durable. It can be had in the $500-$600 price range if you are a veteran or find it on sale. It’s a bit chunky to hang off the end of a long firearm, but performs well at ear and at muzzle. Griffin has also put a lot of work into reducing back pressure on their cans on semi autos, as they tend to want to compete with Surefire suppressors.

    Technical aside: the 17-4 tube/cast stellite baffle construction of the Razor would seem to favor it in durability over the Griffin Recce all 17-4 machines stainless construction, but that is not necessarily the whole story. Manufacturing processes come into play, as does the amount of material available to soak up heat. Point being that there likely isn’t much do a durability difference between the two for typical hard suppressor use, and you might even find that machined and properly heat treated 17-4 holds up a lot better to normal wear and tear vs cast stellite, right up until you put it on a belt fed. Then the stellite is going to survive longer.

    I don’t think you would be totally let down by either, though there are a lot of other good options available that weigh less and/or might perform better for your purposes. What made you settle on those two cans?
     

    woodline

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    The Griffin Xplorr series is solid (I have an early Gen 1 6.5 that I basically stole at auction), just be advised that Griffin is doing a significant generational update to that product line and the new version is about to come out. It will have Omega rear threads, improved performance, and a number of other redesigned features.

    I only mention this because a lot of people get really mad when they buy a thing only to have a newer version come out a few weeks later.
     

    John from MD

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    Thanks for your input guys. My reasons for picking those were.

    1. The are in stock at Silencer Shop. I understand about Griffins discount (they will give me one) but I don't want to have to do the picture and fingerprints again. SS has my stuff and will just apply it.

    2. I was trying to keep the price of the can down to around $700.

    I plan to shoot mostly supers but may shoot subs in the 300BO. I will shoot just supers in the .223. Both will be on AR platforms.

    Thanks for pointing out the mount differences. I think I will drop the Rugged out of consideration. Also thanks for the Xplorr suggestion. It is five ounces lighter which is a big deal. I can spring for the extra $50 for that. I won't care about mods and stuff, I'm 70 and this will probably be the last can I buy.
     

    alucard0822

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    Thanks for your input guys. My reasons for picking those were.

    1. The are in stock at Silencer Shop. I understand about Griffins discount (they will give me one) but I don't want to have to do the picture and fingerprints again. SS has my stuff and will just apply it.

    2. I was trying to keep the price of the can down to around $700.

    I plan to shoot mostly supers but may shoot subs in the 300BO. I will shoot just supers in the .223. Both will be on AR platforms.

    Thanks for pointing out the mount differences. I think I will drop the Rugged out of consideration. Also thanks for the Xplorr suggestion. It is five ounces lighter which is a big deal. I can spring for the extra $50 for that. I won't care about mods and stuff, I'm 70 and this will probably be the last can I buy.

    I run my Xplorr on most every AR15 and AR308. It's awesome for the platform. Good balance of size/weight, performance and backpressure, simple and functuonal styling. Lots of muzzle device options, the flash hider and ez brake are simple and effective, the hammer comp is a great mix of recoil control with ninimal flash and backblast, the new linear comp is awesome, and allows you to run a handguard almost 1.5" longer than the barrel, and tuck 2" of can. This is a 6" 300BO with Griffin linear comp, 7.25" handguard and the Explorr EX3
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    woodline

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    What shop you are working with for SilencerShop transfers? Most are willing to take outside transfers and input into SilencerShop so you can use your existing profile. Some are cheap (my dealer in VA does it for $25), others are outrageously expensive. Mostly due to laziness. It would open your choices up a bit, as SilencerShop’s current inventory is really low.

    For example: My dealer has some YHM Resonator R2s available right now, and they work well with .300 BLK. About $560 if you have a coupon code.

    That said, if you don’t want to go to the trouble, either original option is fine. If you don’t mind not having QD, the Griffin GP7 is cheaper and the same thing as a RECCE 7, just direct thread. Between Rugged and Griffin, I prefer Griffin muzzle devices (their hammer Comp is my favorite muzzle device of all time). But I have a Rugged Micro 30 and don’t mind the Rugged Muzzle devices. They are very good quality, effective, and generally reasonably priced. My ONLY issue with them is that their .30 cal muzzle devices don’t cooperate with a standard armorer’s wrench, so getting them torqued to spec can be a pain.
     

    woodline

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    I run my Xplorr on most every AR15 and AR308. It's awesome for the platform. Good balance of size/weight, performance and backpressure, simple and functuonal styling. Lots of muzzle device options, the flash hider and ez brake are simple and effective, the hammer comp is a great mix of recoil control with ninimal flash and backblast, the new linear comp is awesome, and allows you to run a handguard almost 1.5" longer than the barrel, and tuck 2" of can. This is a 6" 300BO with Griffin linear comp, 7.25" handguard and the Explorr EX3
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    Unfortunately also not in stock at Silencer Shop from what I can see, and that Generation has been discontinued. The new gen will be out soon, and I would expect it to be roughly comparable to the Dead Air Nomad in price.

    That said Griffin IS running a free bonus muzzle device promo until the end of august, so if OP goes with a Recce 7 he can get a free extra muzzle device.
     

    John from MD

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    What shop you are working with for SilencerShop transfers? Most are willing to take outside transfers and input into SilencerShop so you can use your existing profile. Some are cheap (my dealer in VA does it for $25), others are outrageously expensive. Mostly due to laziness. It would open your choices up a bit, as SilencerShop’s current inventory is really low.

    For example: My dealer has some YHM Resonator R2s available right now, and they work well with .300 BLK. About $560 if you have a coupon code.

    That said, if you don’t want to go to the trouble, either original option is fine. If you don’t mind not having QD, the Griffin GP7 is cheaper and the same thing as a RECCE 7, just direct thread. Between Rugged and Griffin, I prefer Griffin muzzle devices (their hammer Comp is my favorite muzzle device of all time). But I have a Rugged Micro 30 and don’t mind the Rugged Muzzle devices. They are very good quality, effective, and generally reasonably priced. My ONLY issue with them is that their .30 cal muzzle devices don’t cooperate with a standard armorer’s wrench, so getting them torqued to spec can be a pain.

    I use Gun Metal in Millersville, MD.
     

    alucard0822

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    Hey Alucard0822 - Nice build. Can you provide info on the stock you're using?

    Maxim gen 7 CQB, obviously this is a registered SBR well under MD's 29"OAL, but the mount/buffer tube is compatible with the SB or Maxim PDW braces. Uses a shortened tube/buffer/ spring, but standard BCG. They have a shorter version that takes a proprietary BCG and a longer version that uses standard buffers.
     

    FAL-Ordinance

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    Maxim gen 7 CQB, obviously this is a registered SBR well under MD's 29"OAL, but the mount/buffer tube is compatible with the SB or Maxim PDW braces. Uses a shortened tube/buffer/ spring, but standard BCG. They have a shorter version that takes a proprietary BCG and a longer version that uses standard buffers.

    Thanks for the info - will have to check it out!
     

    alucard0822

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    Thanks for the info - will have to check it out!

    It's absolutely tiny, fun as hell to shoot, the stock has a nice cheek weld 8.75"-13.25" LOP, deploys and stows easily, the buffer tube is 5.5" long(vs 6.75" for standard M4). The buffer and spring weights/rates are pretty good and reliable, takedown is the same as a normal AR, and you can use a normal BCG. Some other designs use really light/short buffers and have reliability issues. My 6" 300BO SBR with Maxim CQB stock and a 7" AR9 pistol wearing the SB tactical/maxim brace Compared to a "massive" 16" AR(with Griffin Exlorr EX3 and Optimus 3lug cans) Check gundeals, got the stock from Locked and loaded with the buffer/spring for $293

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