HBAR.....Why?

pbharvey said:

An HBAR is a target rifle.
Target shooting is a sport.


Target rifles and assault rifles are two different things, one is good and one is bad.
Bad guns have a mind of their own and must be banned by important people in Annapolis who wear suits and eat lunch with other important people who wear suits.
Those people are smarter than you because all your neighbors voted them into office with great confidence in their decision making powers.

Ask me why an 11 round magazine is more dangerous than a 10 round magazine.

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lazarus said:

Bayonet mugs and adjustable stock isn’t an issue. Under FSA 2013 Semi-automatic rifles have a feature test if they have a detachable magazine.

1 flash hider
2 folding stock (ADJUSTABLE DOES NOT COUNT)
3 grenade launcher

Any one is fine. Any 2 is a deadly assault weapon and Maryland doesn’t cotton to deadly assault weapons.

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ELEMENT94 said:

I think it has more to do with the availability of heavy barrels. They seem to be the least popular, and selection is VERY poor. I have been looking for several months for a 1x7 16" chrome lined, mid length, in Heavy profile, and found exactly one, a DelTon. The goal with HBAR was to make it difficult, and they have succeeded.

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lazarus said:

Because of all your criteria. 16” with midlength gas is uncommon as it is. Add in 1:7, chrome lines, and HBAR and you get to “rare”.

Relax any one of those criteria and there are anything from a few to scads.

20” is less common than 16”. That said I have two different 20” HBAR 1:8 SS barrels. One on my current AR and a fluted nitrided one sitting in my safe.

Just in general looking at 20” HBAR barrels and I’d guess there are at least a dozen to 20 manufacturers who make one. Several manufacturers make several flavors of 20” HBAR barrels.

For 16” HBAR barrels times that by at least 2.

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jollymon said:

You can get almost any configuration AR from CORE at Atlantic Guns ,They get CORE to mark each barrel HBAR since there's no "standards "for HBAR ,that makes it compliant with the law, nice work around

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ELEMENT94 said:

I dont want a 20" HBAR.

This is the first time I have put a build together. That being said, all the info ive seen says that mid-length is the best for 16 inch barrels, and there are TONS of them out there, just not a heavy profile. 1x7 is the most common twist. There are government profiles, medium, socom, recce, pencil, lightweight, and many that are manufacturer specific. VIRTUALLY NO HEAVY. Please provide links showing otherwise.

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JHE1956 said:

The Maryland banned list is a carry-over from the old regulated firearms list. What I think happened when they put together the regulated firearms list 15 years ago or so, was that some staffer in Annapolis bought a copy of Gun Digest or Shooters Bible, and went through the pictures deciding "that one looks military -- put it on the list" When he got to the Colt AR-15, he saw one model, probably with its own picture listed as the Colt HBAR, and described as a target rifle. Since the HBAR didn't have a flash suppressor, the staffer felt a moment of ambivalence, and decided "well, I guess a dedicated target rife is OK" and wrote the exception for the HBAR into the list.

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Threeband said:

The ban is based on Dianne Feinstein's old Assault Weapons List from about 1988-1989.

That list was the basis for Clinton's AWB of 1994-2004. It was used by Maryland when so-called "Assault Weapons" were Regulated (Form 77r and 7 day wait), and used for the ban of 2013.

The List is used by other states, but I don't know if other states versions include the HBAR exemption.

The List was created by a pair of Dianne Feinstein's staffers, who said they went down to the newstand at lunch time and bought a copy of Gun Digest. They went through the catalog section in the back and listed every long gun that looked scary, or unsuited for wabbit hunting. Seriously.

Because the List was created in 1988, it is full of odd guns few have ever heard of, such as the Linda and the Bushmaster. (The latter was NOT an AR, but rather an odd combination of AK and AR features, never produced in large numbers. Years later, after the Bushmaster rifle failed, the company turned to making ARs.) Except for a few revisions (I think) in 1994, the List has never been updated, which is why it does not include rifles like the SCAR and Tavor.

Anyway, in 1988 ARs were not being made by dozens of companies. If you wanted an AR, you pretty much chose among the Colts: the rifle or the carbine. They also had a target version- the Colt HBAR Sporter. This was coming into favor with serious High Power competitors for bullseye competition.

When legislation is proposed, there is always dealing and hoss trading and compromising. The argument was made that AR15s were increasingly used by serious target shooters. Okay, how can we distinguish the Evil Assault Rifle that kills people from the harmless AR15 that only punches neat holes in paper far away? Why the paper puncher has a Heavy Barrel.

Further, with the AR15 being added to Maryland's Regulated list, it was pointed out that Junior Competitors between the ages of 18 and 20 would be unable to possess the increasingly favored target rifle of choice. Thus the HBAR exemption.

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Threeband said:

The ban is based on Dianne Feinstein's old Assault Weapons List from about 1988-1989.

That list was the basis for Clinton's AWB of 1994-2004. It was used by Maryland when so-called "Assault Weapons" were Regulated (Form 77r and 7 day wait), and used for the ban of 2013.

The List is used by other states, but I don't know if other states versions include the HBAR exemption.

The List was created by a pair of Dianne Feinstein's staffers, who said they went down to the newstand at lunch time and bought a copy of Gun Digest. They went through the catalog section in the back and listed every long gun that looked scary, or unsuited for wabbit hunting. Seriously.

Because the List was created in 1988, it is full of odd guns few have ever heard of, such as the Linda and the Bushmaster. (The latter was NOT an AR, but rather an odd combination of AK and AR features, never produced in large numbers. Years later, after the Bushmaster rifle failed, the company turned to making ARs.) Except for a few revisions (I think) in 1994, the List has never been updated, which is why it does not include rifles like the SCAR and Tavor.

Anyway, in 1988 ARs were not being made by dozens of companies. If you wanted an AR, you pretty much chose among the Colts: the rifle or the carbine. They also had a target version- the Colt HBAR Sporter. This was coming into favor with serious High Power competitors for bullseye competition.

When legislation is proposed, there is always dealing and hoss trading and compromising. The argument was made that AR15s were increasingly used by serious target shooters. Okay, how can we distinguish the Evil Assault Rifle that kills people from the harmless AR15 that only punches neat holes in paper far away? Why the paper puncher has a Heavy Barrel.

Further, with the AR15 being added to Maryland's Regulated list, it was pointed out that Junior Competitors between the ages of 18 and 20 would be unable to possess the increasingly favored target rifle of choice. Thus the HBAR exemption.


By the way, I'm always a little annoyed when I read well-meaning rants about how stupid the HBAR exemption is. What do the ranters expect, that the Slavering Gun Grabbers will suddenly see the light, and revoke all restrictions on gun ownership? Just repeal all the anti gun laws? I do not think they will.

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chris12138 said:

Really informative post! Thanks! Stranger than fiction.

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