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Old October 13th, 2008, 12:12 AM #11
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If a .410 slug out of a shotgun can kill a deer with a body shot, I have no hesitations about it's effects on a man.
With the buckshot, I might worry about spread and missing the target alltogether, but if they are far enough away for that to happen, then you can probably get off a second shot in time.

A .22 rimfire can kill a deer but like a .410 it's illegal in the Peoples Republic of Md and for good reason. Sorry Novus, a .410 doesn't pack enough ass if you want a sure kill of the democrat intruder in the middle of the night. If I HAD to only use a .410 it would be a dbl barrel.
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A .22 rimfire can kill a deer but like a .410 it's illegal in the Peoples Republic of Md and for good reason. Sorry Novus, a .410 doesn't pack enough ass if you want a sure kill of the democrat intruder in the middle of the night. If I HAD to only use a .410 it would be a dbl barrel.
For me, it's a carbine, pistols, and a 12ga that I trust for HD, but then again, like most here, I practice alot, and can handle a 12ga. For folks that aren't really "gun people", elderly, small women, or the disabled, a 410 pump is a readily available, easy to shoot/light recoil, inexpensive, and reliable defensive weapon. I agree that bigger would be better, but not everyone can handle a larger long gun, and I am not convinced a 410 would be less effective than a run of the mill revolver, that is used in a huge number of succesful defensive scenarios
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Old October 13th, 2008, 12:44 AM #13
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A .22 rimfire can kill a deer but like a .410 it's illegal in the Peoples Republic of Md and for good reason. Sorry Novus, a .410 doesn't pack enough ass if you want a sure kill of the democrat intruder in the middle of the night. If I HAD to only use a .410 it would be a dbl barrel.
In some states it is legal to hunt deer with them, and I mentioned a body shot because I know a .22 can kill with a head shot and I had a feeling someone would bring that up.

I don't care how much it might break up, at 600 or 700 foot pounds energy, even a balled up paper wad is going to do tremendous damage to someone. The Republican intruder's ass would be grass.

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In terms of performance, there is really no comparison. The flat point and hollow point Foster slugs, with Winchester at 93 grains and Remington and Federal at 97 grains are completely outclassed by the 114-grain Brenneke. The Fosters tended to shatter into flat slivers, while the Brenneke maintained its integrity, expanding to .455 inch.

The Brenneke's performance is roughly comparable to a hot, light-bullet load in a .40 S&W pistol. The performance of the Foster slugs is somewhere around the .32 S&W long to .32 H&R Magnum level. The greatest fault with the Foster design is that the slugs come apart after a relatively shallow penetration.

After extensive testing, it's my opinion that the Brenneke is an adequate deer load at close range. The Fosters are strictly for small game. Having said this, it must be admitted that a lot of deer have been taken with the .22 long rifle cartridge and my local gun shop owner told me that one of his customers took one deer a year for eight years with .410 bore Foster slugs.
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For me, it's a carbine, pistols, and a 12ga that I trust for HD, but then again, like most here, I practice alot, and can handle a 12ga. For folks that aren't really "gun people", elderly, small women, or the disabled, a 410 pump is a readily available, easy to shoot/light recoil, inexpensive, and reliable defensive weapon. I agree that bigger would be better, but not everyone can handle a larger long gun, and I am not convinced a 410 would be less effective than a run of the mill revolver, that is used in a huge number of succesful defensive scenarios

I keep one loaded weapon in the house, the 12 ga and rifles are either way too long or powerful. The .44 mag is probably too powerful as well so my choice is the Walker, close to being on par with a .357, if I miss em I can club an elephant with the 9 inch barrel or tenderize the stringiest Obama supporter.
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In some states it is legal to hunt deer with them, and I mentioned a body shot because I know a .22 can kill with a head shot and I had a feeling someone would bring that up.

I don't care how much it might break up, at 600 or 700 foot pounds energy, even a balled up paper wad is going to do tremendous damage to someone. The Republican intruder's ass would be grass.

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Novus, Novus, Novus you're overlooking the fundamentals of house break-ins. Our fictitious Republican in question would only need to point to the ceiling and exclaim a flying saucer is loose in the house. That should allow him a minimum of 5 minutes for the democrat to ask his long gone nemesis "where"?
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I keep one loaded weapon in the house, the 12 ga and rifles are either way too long or powerful. The .44 mag is probably too powerful as well so my choice is the Walker, close to being on par with a .357, if I miss em I can club an elephant with the 9 inch barrel or tenderize the stringiest democrat.
Hell, with that smokepole being fired indoors they will probably die of smoke inhalation first.
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Novus, Novus, Novus you're overlooking the fundamentals of house break-ins. Our fictitious Republican in question would only need to point to the ceiling and exclaim a flying saucer is loose in the house. That should allow him a minimum of 5 minutes for the democrat to ask his long gone nemesis "where"?
Hmm, kinda reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction trick. You Repubs are tricky bastards.
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Hell, with that smokepole being fired indoors they will probably die of smoke inhalation first.

That's why I have a aircraft smoke mask on the holster.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 09:08 AM #19
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I don't really know who it is that can't handle a 12 gauge. I've seen several <100 pound women handle shoulder fired 12 gauges with no problems after the first two or three "learning" shots. Sure there's a kick, but like any other gun if you manage it, it won't manage you.


That being said, I'm sure as hell not volunteering to get nailed by a .410...
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Come to the fun shoot, and see the wife's Saiga-.410 with UF stock and 10rd mags. PERFECT HD weapon for her.(she is bringing her matching AK too).
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