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ToolAA · Sep 14, 2018

Rack&Roll said:
Yeah, but you get that cool Seal of Approval look. If my ATF form is ever a court exhibit, I want a cool embossed circle on it!

My office manager is a notary so I was just going to do it for good measure and for the coolness factor of having an embossed seal on the document.

Before today’s hearing, my backup plan was to submit a Form 4 SBR and in the firearm description I was going to specifically note the the inclusion of a Binary Fire Trigger system, and note in the reason to list any lawful purpose and to comply with Maryland law.

I figured that if somehow it did get approved I would actually have an ATF document stating approval of a firearm with a binary trigger device and in the meantime i would have documentation of an actual application. Downside is that it would cost $200. However that $200 would probably be better spend in MSI’s hands.

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DC-W · Sep 14, 2018

This link goes right to the entire writeup and can be passed easily along to others. Please do so

tinyurl.com/sb707

whistlersmother · Sep 14, 2018

So, do we need to send this in to protect ourselves from violation by using gun oil?

Yes, I'm being serious.

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Rack&Roll · Sep 14, 2018

whistlersmother said:
So, do we need to send this in to protect ourselves from violation by using gun oil?

Yes, I'm being serious.

Yes, every MD firearm owner should send this letter.

It is a small chore for each of us, on behalf of ALL of us.

esqappellate · Sep 14, 2018

whistlersmother said:
So, do we need to send this in to protect ourselves from violation by using gun oil?

Yes, I'm being serious.

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And seriously, no one knows what the statute means. Quite seriously. Sending in the form may give you some kind of protection while the case is pending. It is not a cure all. But it better than doing nothing.

babalou · Sep 15, 2018

this is my oriiginal email and reply. They did send an automated reply in between. is this good enough?

this is my original email and the reply

From: FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov [mailto:FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Fri 8/31/2018 1:50 PM
To: Greg
Subject: RE: binary trigger/rapid fire trigger

Good afternoon sir,

ATF's position regarding Maryland’s new law is posted on our public website in a Special Advisory issued by our Office of Public Affairs. I have included a hyperlink to the advisory for your convenience below.

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/maryland...ger-activators

I trust this advisory clarifies ATF’s authority, however please let us know if we can be of further assistance by contacting us at (202)648-7120 or FIPB@atf.gov.

Regards,

R. Lawrence

Firearms Enforcement Specialist

Firearms Industry Programs Branch

From: Greg <greg@xxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:24 PM
To: FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov
Subject: binary trigger/rapid fire trigger

To whom it may concern,

I would like to apply with the BATFE for authorization to posses a rapid fire trigger activator as mandated by the state of Maryland before the October 1st 2018 deadline as to be in compliance with the new senate bill 707 written into law earlier this year.

Thank you,

pcfixer · Sep 15, 2018

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/maryland-law-restricting-rapid-fire-trigger-activators

Maryland Law Restricting “Rapid Fire Trigger Activators” Tuesday, April 24, 2018

WASHINGTON – Today, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan signed into law Maryland Senate Bill 707. This new statute restricts possession in Maryland of “rapid fire trigger activators,” defined as any device, including a bump stock, that increases a firearm’s rate of fire, or the rate at which the trigger is activated. The statute specifically prohibits any person from transporting a rapid-fire trigger activator into Maryland, or manufacturing, possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring, purchasing, or receiving a rapid-fire trigger activator in the State. The statute also contains a provision that purports to allow Maryland residents already in possession of a device covered by the law to continue to possess that device in Maryland if they file an application for “authorization” to possess the device with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) before October 1, 2018.

Maryland residents who intend to file applications with ATF for “authorization” to possess devices covered by the statute should be aware that ATF is without legal authority to accept and process such an application. Consequently, ATF respectfully requests that Maryland residents not file applications or other requests for “authorization” from ATF to possess rapid fire trigger activators as defined in the State statute. Any such applications or requests will be returned to the applicant without action. ATF regrets any confusion and inconvenience caused by the provisions of the Maryland statute that mistakenly indicate ATF has the authority to approve possession of devices covered by the statute.

babalou · Sep 15, 2018

then i will do the application as well. eff having to prove a right. they can suck it.

esqappellate · Sep 15, 2018

babalou said:
this is my oriiginal email and reply. They did send an automated reply in between. is this good enough?

this is my original email and the reply

From: FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov [mailto:FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov]
Sent: Fri 8/31/2018 1:50 PM
To: Greg
Subject: RE: binary trigger/rapid fire trigger

Good afternoon sir,

ATF's position regarding Maryland’s new law is posted on our public website in a Special Advisory issued by our Office of Public Affairs. I have included a hyperlink to the advisory for your convenience below.

https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/maryland...ger-activators

I trust this advisory clarifies ATF’s authority, however please let us know if we can be of further assistance by contacting us at (202)648-7120 or FIPB@atf.gov.

Regards,

R. Lawrence

Firearms Enforcement Specialist

Firearms Industry Programs Branch

From: Greg <greg@xxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:24 PM
To: FIPB.Regulatory.Email.Inquiries@usdoj.gov
Subject: binary trigger/rapid fire trigger

To whom it may concern,

I would like to apply with the BATFE for authorization to posses a rapid fire trigger activator as mandated by the state of Maryland before the October 1st 2018 deadline as to be in compliance with the new senate bill 707 written into law earlier this year.

Thank you,

Send the form.

babalou · Sep 15, 2018

motorcoachdoug · Sep 15, 2018

Sending mine in today. If MD ah "ticks off the ATF" enough you think they might go after MD for making that law???

CrawfishStu · Sep 15, 2018

Previously sent an email as well.
I will be sending the form.
Thank you for the hard work on this.

IronEye · Sep 15, 2018

I will be sending the form today. I also sent an alert email to all my gun owning buddies. This is just so stupid. But why am I surprised - I still live in Maryland.

iH8DemLibz · Sep 15, 2018

Form printed.

Will send out next week.

Thanks for the link.

Abulg1972 · Sep 15, 2018

Maswasnos;5327075Sending in a letter for an additional year might as well be getting a preliminary injunction as far as us owners are concerned. [/QUOTE said:
Except you don’t know what you don’t know. Are you going to include gun oil in your “application”? Your muzzle brake? Your LaRue 2 stage trigger? Your Magpul Vertical grip? Your 3x magnifier?

The BATFE is going to have a field day.

Abulg1972 · Sep 15, 2018

Remember that this was just a hearing about a TRO, which is an extraordinary remedy that is not often granted. I was there and can tell you that not all hope is lost because the judge strongly intimated to the state that he has grave concerns about the vagueness of the law. He didn’t mention the takings issue at all but I think it goes without saying that he will find a clear taking.

DC-W · Sep 15, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
Remember that this was just a hearing about a TRO, which is an extraordinary remedy that is not often granted. I was there and can tell you that not all hope is lost because the judge strongly intimated to the state that he has grave concerns about the vagueness of the law. He didn’t mention the takings issue at all but I think it goes without saying that he will find a clear taking.

We are beyond thankful to have you with us!

It was something else to watch the judge pivot and pounce on the state over the vagueness issue.

Jake4U · Sep 15, 2018

DC-W said:
We are beyond thankful to have you with us!

It was something else to watch the judge pivot and pounce on the state over the vagueness issue.

Sort of like why the ATF has NOT banned any of these devices and yet legislators think they can because of their brilliance. Or not. I refuse to be made a criminal by these people - which I believe is now their sole intention. This isn't for the children. The vagueness was on purpose. This is/was to create a vast swath of felons across this state. Nothing more. Nothing less. Prove me wrong.

Of all the attempts to regulate us law abiding, this one has really gotten under my skin.

cantstop · Sep 15, 2018

I will be sending in my letter today. I didn't even realize the trigger spring kit I put in my P-64 could be banned by this stupid law.

Thanks to Mark and MSI for this ATF letter.

I'm a member of MSI. I just kicked in a few extra bucks thru the Donate link at the MSI website. Hope it helps.

ironpony · Sep 15, 2018

I'll be sending several today for myself and family.
Red flag bill, "see judge this person is crazy, they applied to the Federal Government to have a rapid trigger pulling thing." - MD is a catch .22.
Out of respect to post 451 I meant no humor.

Thanks to everyone involved. Thanks for the form letter as well.

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