MSP: FIREARM PURCHASE APPLICANTS WITH APPLICATIONS PENDING ON OCT 1 WON'T NEED HQL

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  • rtruhn

    Active Member
    Sep 12, 2013
    563
    Gwynn Oak
    We can agree to disagree. You're saying they were socialists or communists? Socialism and communism are on the left wing extreme of the political spectrum. Fascism is not the same as socialism or communism.

    Socialism and fascism are two forms of totalitarian political states. (Communism is an economic approach.) The main difference between socialism and fascism, IIRC, is whether economic elements (corporations and other businesses) are directly controlled and operated by the State, or instead based on private ownership. If the USG and/or MD are not operating Beretta, Inc., and the company's workforce is not employed by the State, it's simply not socialism.
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,361
    SoMD / West PA
    I understand that some in the General Assembly believed that pre Oct 1 purchases would be able to be picked up after Oct 1 without a HQL or qualifying exception, but it is not what was written in the law.

    If the MDSP really held that opinion all along, why didn't they include that provision it in their proposed COMAR:

    https://www.mdsp.org/Portals/0/Downloads/COMAR/29.03.01 Regulated Firearms (9-11-13).pdf

    And why did their FAQ page say otherwise until they changed it yesterday?

    The MDSP did not.

    They plainly stated in the Dealers meetings that any handgun picked up 10/1 and after, the recipient must have a HQL.

    The MDSP wants to be seen in a better light before going to court on Friday in the 77R lawsuit.
     

    Parrot

    Member
    Jul 16, 2013
    72
    No. Police can arrest you for a crime the see committed, or have evidence to prove happened like a witness, but they do not bring charges. The prosecutors decide that.

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/charged-with-crime-how-29677.html



    Yes MSP does have meetings with FFLs and yes the FFLs do run their business off of MSPs direction. However in this case MSP direction is in clear violation of the written law, and without an AG document to validate its law enforcement position, it could end up being very bad info.

    Welcome to MDS, I will no longer be participating in your race to 50.

    But you were so close, thanks for helping. :D

    BTW, the AG can have the MSP pick up someone, so they don't need to "see" it. Next time don't use Wikipedia.
     

    pilotguy299

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 26, 2010
    1,809
    FredNeck County, MD
    How is this different from an enforcement discretion policy for red light cameras, which give you 10 mph over the posted speed limit before you're ticketed? That policy is explicitly stated.

    They are not telling you to violate the law in the case of a speed camera. Despite that policy, police officers can still cite you for driving less than 10mph over the posted speed limit.
     

    EHS1976

    Active Member
    Mar 28, 2013
    194
    USA
    Socialism and fascism are two forms of totalitarian political states. (Communism is an economic approach.) The main difference between socialism and fascism, IIRC, is whether economic elements (corporations and other businesses) are directly controlled and operated by the State, or instead based on private ownership. If the USG and/or MD are not operating Beretta, Inc., and the company's workforce is not employed by the State, it's simply not socialism.

    I agree with you about communism. My mistake. One hallmark of fascism is militarism. I'm hard-pressed to find any socialist or left wing person who is an extreme "hawk." Socialist Canada is definitely not a hawk.
     

    Patrick

    MSI Executive Member
    Apr 26, 2009
    7,725
    Calvert County
    The MDSP did not.

    They plainly stated in the Dealers meetings that any handgun picked up 10/1 and after, the recipient must have a HQL.

    The MDSP wants to be seen in a better light before going to court on Friday in the 77R lawsuit.

    Someone please refresh for us the prongs that must be satisfied to pierce qualified immunity under the civil rights act, and then apply that knowledge to the current topic at hand... :innocent0
     

    pilotguy299

    Ultimate Member
    Sep 26, 2010
    1,809
    FredNeck County, MD
    The MDSP did not.

    They plainly stated in the Dealers meetings that any handgun picked up 10/1 and after, the recipient must have a HQL.

    The MDSP wants to be seen in a better light before going to court on Friday in the 77R lawsuit.

    Did anyone ask this specific scenario?

    Hopefully there is a video of that statement,or a handout saying the same thing.
     

    Boom Boom

    Hold my beer. Watch this.
    Jul 16, 2010
    16,834
    Carroll
    Socialism and fascism are two forms of totalitarian political states. (Communism is an economic approach.)

    Governments are not mutually-exclusive multiple choice, where you pick one and only one. Real life is not a text book. Both (and more) ideologies can and do coexist within political parties in governments around the globe. Those parties, legally and often not, tend to pursue any and all ideologies in a "per circumstance" manner for satisfying particular needs, desires, and goals.
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,361
    SoMD / West PA
    Did anyone ask this specific scenario?

    Hopefully there is a video of that statement,or a handout saying the same thing.

    Yes, the question was specifically asked 8/28 in Hyatsville. As for evidence: :shrug:

    Engage Armament, Accurate Guns and Ammo, Cromwell Firearms, and myself were there.
     

    vector03

    Frustrated Incorporated
    Jan 7, 2009
    2,519
    Columbia
    I agree with you about communism. My mistake. One hallmark of fascism is militarism. I'm hard-pressed to find any socialist or left wing person who is an extreme "hawk." Socialist Canada is definitely not a hawk.

    There was a great example back in 30's Europe...I think the party started with the word "National"

    :innocent0
     

    MigraineMan

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 9, 2011
    19,109
    Frederick County
    Not really, they enforce laws in MD. BTW, when did MSP say the above? I must have missed that notification/admission? Please stick to facts here, this is exactly what gets us off topic.

    Paragraph 3 of the MSP release:
    "In light of the number of currently pending applications-resulting from the unprecedented spike in new applications in recent months-it is a fair, reasoned, and appropriate result for those who are waiting for their pending purchase applications to be processed."

    They didn't say "we won't enforce this on grounds that it's unconstitutional," they said "we can't handle the workload, so we're just going to not-enforce this law for people who have 77rs in the system before 01 October."

    "Fair, reasoned and appropriate" is not the same as "compliant with the law."

    (That sounds like something Judge Dredd would say.)
     

    webb297

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 29, 2010
    2,800
    Bowie
    Paragraph 3 of the MSP release:
    "In light of the number of currently pending applications-resulting from the unprecedented spike in new applications in recent months-it is a fair, reasoned, and appropriate result for those who are waiting for their pending purchase applications to be processed."

    They didn't say "we won't enforce this on grounds that it's unconstitutional," they said "we can't handle the workload, so we're just going to not-enforce this law for people who have 77rs in the system before 01 October."

    "Fair, reasoned and appropriate" is not the same as "compliant with the law."

    (That sounds like something Judge Dredd would say.)

    Man politicians can truly do anything if they wrap it up in fluffy feel good words, cant they? Fair, reasoned, appropriate? By WHOs definition? Does that same person think that denying G&S is also fair, reasoned, appropriate?
     

    Parrot

    Member
    Jul 16, 2013
    72
    Paragraph 3 of the MSP release:
    "In light of the number of currently pending applications-resulting from the unprecedented spike in new applications in recent months-it is a fair, reasoned, and appropriate result for those who are waiting for their pending purchase applications to be processed."

    They didn't say "we won't enforce this on grounds that it's unconstitutional," they said "we can't handle the workload, so we're just going to not-enforce this law for people who have 77rs in the system before 01 October."

    "Fair, reasoned and appropriate" is not the same as "compliant with the law."

    (That sounds like something Judge Dredd would say.)

    Point is that they decide what to enforce and what not to, is it that difficult for you to see that? No difference at ALL. :D
     

    Parrot

    Member
    Jul 16, 2013
    72
    Man politicians can truly do anything if they wrap it up in fluffy feel good words, cant they? Fair, reasoned, appropriate? By WHOs definition? Does that same person think that denying G&S is also fair, reasoned, appropriate?


    webb297 gets it. :D
     

    K-Romulus

    Suburban Commando
    Mar 15, 2007
    2,427
    NE MoCO
    I'll take bets the anti-gunowner crowd will sue MSP over this turn of events.

    Back in the 90's, CA DOJ was sued over extending the "assault weapons" registration window, and the antigunowners won. The CA extension was due to a backlog. Anyone who registered their firearms during the extension had them confiscated after the court ruling.

    I am still puzzling out how such a court victory against MSP would play out. Maybe a court order to refuse post-10/1 77R forms that do not include the HQL info?

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
     

    Whiskey

    Active Member
    Sep 28, 2012
    612
    Crownsville, MD
    I don't know if it has been posted on the previous 16 pages, I don't have time to look but, if you purchase any firearm with a detachable magazine capacity of 11+ rounds make absolutely certain that you pick them up prior to 10/1. Magazines are not included in the grandfathering of regulated long guns or handguns. magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds are no longer to be permitted to be sold, transferred, or manufactured in the (usta'be)Free State. Even if you can't get the guns for months if you are waiting for multiple 30 periods to pass, get the dealer to give you the mags ASAP.
     

    Tomcat

    Formerly Known As HITWTOM
    May 7, 2012
    5,568
    St.Mary's County
    Heard someone say yesterday you could go to VA or PA to retrieve your over capacity mags, ie. meet your FFL out of state and he hands you your mags.
     

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