Old February 22nd, 2021, 12:18 PM #91
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Last time I went to the NRA Range, I had the opposite issue with RSOs. Their rule about "one uncased gun at a time" nearly got me thrown out when I opened the second case before I closed the first one. Still, it was a clean, safe range and they were polite, but they took their jobs very seriously.
This is the balance

We all know we want an RSO who runs a tight ship for safety

But then some of them want to be pricks and go over the top just because they're in charge

This is reflective of many positions in society
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Clear and concise and you could replace the name of that range with many others out there in the retail indoor range business and be somewhat accurate. Indoor ranges with a confined nature and higher risk make me always pay a lot more attention to surroundings and behaviors of others.
This. Sure some do better than others. IMHO it is the general nature of commercial ranges open to the public. Outdoor ranges (at least that have RSOs on duty) tend to be a bit safer from the clientele aspect either being a little more experience or at least less "mugging for a picture/video" for their friends.

If you need or want lower volume use and/or a more competent environment you must join a private range. In some cases that means paying more, in others it doesn't depending on how operated (annual fee, vs annual + per visit). I'd imagine the new place in Baltimore Co (AA?) with the extremely high prices is a much more relaxed environment, I'd hope with competent RSO's, more space between lanes, etc.

Our hobby isn't cheap. That said, you have to ask yourself, does $150-300 a year to be a member at a private range somewhere beat out paying $20-50 for an hour/visit at a commercial range.

Sure it is outdoor (which I prefer) and my range is a bit of a drive from me, but I was the only person there for the two hours I was there in the middle of the day. The sign in sheet for the entire week before had maybe a dozen names on the sheet. Sure, on a weekend in the summer there might be 40-60 people rotate through the rifle and pistol ranges (maybe more on a really busy day), but I've yet to have a time in the 2.5yrs I've been a member have to wait for an open pistol or rifle bench and only on rare occasions run in to a mild (but so far never dangerous) idiot.
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Last time I went to the NRA Range, I had the opposite issue with RSOs. Their rule about "one uncased gun at a time" nearly got me thrown out when I opened the second case before I closed the first one. Still, it was a clean, safe range and they were polite, but they took their jobs very seriously.
I had a conversation with an NRA Range RO several years ago about their strict policies and enforcement. The RO told me that of all the ranges in the U.S., they may be the one most under the microscope. If anything happens there, anything at all, it will be splashed all over the media as evidence that if the preeminent gun organization in the country can't run a safe range, no one can.
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I had a conversation with an NRA Range RO several years ago about their strict policies and enforcement. The RO told me that of all the ranges in the U.S., they may be the one most under the microscope. If anything happens there, anything at all, it will be splashed all over the media as evidence that if the preeminent gun organization in the country can't run a safe range, no one can.
This is indeed doubtlessly true.
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This is unfortunate but makes complete sense
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Ranges should never have specified rate of fire restrictions. The rule should always be don't be a nuisance or danger to yourself and those around you. It does suck when the guy with the 7.5" 5.56 pistol with a muzzle break comes in there and goes to town.
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Ranges should never have specified rate of fire restrictions. The rule should always be don't be a nuisance or danger to yourself and those around you. It does suck when the guy with the 7.5" 5.56 pistol with a muzzle break comes in there and goes to town.
Range I am a member is “whatever is safe and hits the target”. If that is a round a minute or as fast as you can shoot. You may not mag dump, because you aren’t landing your rounds on your target (and moving a pistol target to 3yds doesn’t count).

Most ranges are operated with the lowest common denominator. Just because the guy with years of experience and training can double tap targets at 50yds off hand with a pistol doesn’t mean every guy can. Ideally an RSO will make a call one guy is being safe and one guy not with it. When it is many shooters and one RSO it is easier and safer for all just to specify a rate of fire and easier to listen for, watch at a glance and discipline for breaking.
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They walk down and unobtrusively reconnoiter the pistola range, seemingly at a minimum of once an hour.
My only interactions I seem to get with the RSO’s at AGC is the scrutiny of my height vs target height and the berm. I’ve got the same standard frame 6’ or so I’ve always had but need to build an extension onto it for more offhand rifle and better flexibility on the pistol range. I’m 6’7” so it works out I’m shooting seated most of the time on the Barnes range at 25yrds. 50yds I can get one 8” target at the top of it, at 100 I mostly shoot steel unless I’m sighting something in.
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Range I am a member is “whatever is safe and hits the target”. If that is a round a minute or as fast as you can shoot. You may not mag dump, because you aren’t landing your rounds on your target (and moving a pistol target to 3yds doesn’t count).

Most ranges are operated with the lowest common denominator. Just because the guy with years of experience and training can double tap targets at 50yds off hand with a pistol doesn’t mean every guy can. Ideally an RSO will make a call one guy is being safe and one guy not with it. When it is many shooters and one RSO it is easier and safer for all just to specify a rate of fire and easier to listen for, watch at a glance and discipline for breaking.
That is one of the reasons I dropped my AGC membership many years ago.

They had a 1 round per second limit. I was shooting on the pistol range and the RSO came over on his 4 wheeler to tell me to slow down, I was shooting too fast.

Funny thing was, I was running my timer and the shot intervals ranged from 1.2 - 1.5 seconds. He did not care, his time sense was more accurate than my shot timer.

I packed up, left, and never went back.
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That is one of the reasons I dropped my AGC membership many years ago.

They had a 1 round per second limit. I was shooting on the pistol range and the RSO came over on his 4 wheeler to tell me to slow down, I was shooting too fast.

Funny thing was, I was running my timer and the shot intervals ranged from 1.2 - 1.5 seconds. He did not care, his time sense was more accurate than my shot timer.

I packed up, left, and never went back.
Sad. I've seen guys blazing away with a pistol target holder at 5yds violating the heck out of the spirit of the rule at my range (IWLA Damascus) watching rounds hit all over the backstop, but I've yet to see someone being really unsafe about it. The back stops are REALLY tall hills. Not that I condone their behavior, it is violating the rules for sure. But like 99% of guys follow the basic rule and shoot slow enough to keep their rounds on the target and I've never seen anyone come remotely close to shooting in a way.

That said, we get periodic reminders of things like "drawing from a holster is not allowed". Which tells me guys are doing that expressly against the rules even if I am not seeing it.

Honestly the most annoying one (though the least safety issue related) is seeing the about every 2 month email reminder that during the current situation members are only allowed to bring guests who are household family members due to reduced capacity restrictions on the ranges and social distancing. I have absolutely seen several times between sign in sheets and people on the range bringing friends. Seen a couple of time grand parents bringing their grandkids (though I guess it is possible the kids were living with the grandparents. Though same group that were setting up steel rimfire targets at 20 or so yds on the rifle range and shooting steel is not allowed, but I was headed out and no one else was there).

General level of stupid seems to have gone up the last year, but attendance down since the pandemic started. Way better on average than any trip to a commercial range where I've seen at least one or two actively unsafe things when I've been there if I was there more than 2hrs. But still annoying. Hoping it is something that improves with time.
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