VNVGUNNER
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Just have your dad loan it to you for now.
Father/Son transfer from PA to MD
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If interstate a loan has to be for sporting purposes at least in part. So remember to target practice.
vette97
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I have the C&R. It's not on the list. If I just leave it in PA at the house, I can take advantage of the PA Open Carry when I visit.
I have the C&R. It's not on the list. If I just leave it in PA at the house, I can take advantage of the PA Open Carry when I visit.
Remember that it only has to be over fifty years old and it is automatically a C&R, but I assume you know this of course.
The MSP is not an FFL and I don't think the feds will allow it if across state lines.
I was under the impression that the only time an FFL had to become involved was if the transfer was part of a sale.
Like I cited above, no person shall "transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to a person" not a resident of their state and no person shall "shall transport into or receive in the State where the person resides any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State".
There are exceptions for things like inheritance for instance, but generally speaking it is ALL transfers of ownership across state lines or to residents not of the same state that need an FFL involved.
Flash
Active Member
You are incorrect! All handguns must be registered in Pennsylvania. I was given several handguns of my father's collection and I had to register them all if I wanted to own them legally. Dad lived in Baltimore. Valley Gun Shop shipped them to my FFl and I did all the paperwork.
Flash
Active Member
Again, incorrect! All handguns in Pennsylvania must be registered and for ownership to exchange across state lines, an FFL must do the transfer to remove the registration from the Pa. resident and apply it to the new owner in Maryland. Otherwise, it will always be registered to the Pa. resident and to cross the state line with an unregistered handgun is a felony. If it is registered to Johnny in Pa. and Billy now has possession of it in Maryland, the law does not apply to Johnny, it applies to Billy who has possession of a handgun not registered to him a.k.a "Unregistered".
vette97
Ultimate Member
Unless the laws changed after I left PA in 1996 (I lived there 22 years), there was no registration.
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/question-answer-40/30015-registration.html
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/question-answer-40/30015-registration.html
Flash
Active Member
This is a link to The Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association. What branch of law enforcement is that? Contact the BATF in Harrisburg and you'll get the answer that they go by. The PAFOA has as much legal influence as an automobile dealership. I must remember to call them for the next firearm related legal advise I need.
PA has no registration for handguns. They have recordation of sale which is like in MD.
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/PASL.pdf
http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/Compendium.htm
The reason an FFL is needed to transfer from PA to MD is not because of PA law, it is because of fed law.
It is not a felony to cross state lines with an unrecorded handgun. If Johnny moved to MD, he does not have to tell PA. If Johnny moved to VA, he could sell it to another VA resident and no one in government would know, especially not PA.
All handgun transfers between non licensees across state lines have to go through an FFL. This is federal law and has nothing to do with PA law.This is a link to The Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association. What branch of law enforcement is that? Contact the BATF in Harrisburg and you'll get the answer that they go by. The PAFOA has as much legal influence as an automobile dealership. I must remember to call them for the next firearm related legal advise I need.
But if you don't believe me, look for yourself and see if you can find some of what you said. http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/26thedition/pennsylvania.pdf
vette97
Ultimate Member
Flash - Call Harrisburg in the morning and ask if they made the following illegal yet!
Title 18 PA CRIMES CODE
CHAPTER 61
SUBCHAPTER A
§ 6111. Sale or transfer of firearms.
(c) Duty of other persons. -- Any person who is not a licensed
importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or
transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only
upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer,
dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall
follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the
seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not
apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a
parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and
grandchild.
§6111.4. Registration of Firearms.
Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary,
nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any govern
ment or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create,
maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this
Commonwealth.
Title 18 PA CRIMES CODE
CHAPTER 61
SUBCHAPTER A
§ 6111. Sale or transfer of firearms.
(c) Duty of other persons. -- Any person who is not a licensed
importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or
transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only
upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer,
dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall
follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the
seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not
apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a
parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and
grandchild.
§6111.4. Registration of Firearms.
Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary,
nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any govern
ment or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create,
maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this
Commonwealth.
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This is a link to The Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association. What branch of law enforcement is that? Contact the BATF in Harrisburg and you'll get the answer that they go by. The PAFOA has as much legal influence as an automobile dealership. I must remember to call them for the next firearm related legal advise I need.
Actually groups like PAFOA have lawyers that understand the laws better than most police departments- as you can judge by the number of lawsuits local police departments have lost due to not understanding state firearms laws.
The BATF is the final authority on interstate transfers. I would argue that the state police in Maryland doing transfers may be considered the equivalent of an FFL by BATF but that is their call.
And it has been clearly shown that there is no registration of firearms in PA only a record of sale that is legislated not to be a registration....;
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Does it matter? And even mroe intriguing can they approve the time of transfer.
Doesnt Maryland Law state any legally obtained gun, unless it is an assualt pistol can be brought with you into the state. So if your father gave you the pistol before you moved, as PA will legally permit transfer between father and son as gift wouldnt you theoretically be in the clear?
Gotta love these legal discussiON!
Doesnt Maryland Law state any legally obtained gun, unless it is an assualt pistol can be brought with you into the state. So if your father gave you the pistol before you moved, as PA will legally permit transfer between father and son as gift wouldnt you theoretically be in the clear?
Gotta love these legal discussiON!
