Belt-Feds banned in Maryland?

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  • jrumann59

    DILLIGAF
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 17, 2011
    14,024
    I do not see how any of the binary triggers can fit into the burst trigger systems. If you pull the trigger and hold it down only one bullet comes out. I think their proposed law will have too many gray areas that it could be easily challenged or would be hard to enforce.
     

    Abulg1972

    Ultimate Member
    I say no but good luck convincing anyone of that. Anyway cause aim wouldn't send Links to Md and wouldn't separate my order, I sent the gun and all to VA and did the transfer there .



    Well, I looked at the law and, unfortunately, it seems like a “yes”.

    Detachable magazine. -- "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.

    I’d say that a belt is an ammunition feeding device. Does that mean that linked ammo is also prohibited??

    The world has become nutty.
     

    jcutonilli

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    Nope, he's right.

    The text of HB888, as enrolled, defines a "Burst Trigger System" as follows:



    That fits the definition of a fully automatic firearm / machinegun, with some *possible* flex for systems that operate without altering the trigger reset.

    It then goes on to define a "Rapid Fire Trigger Activator" as including a "Burst Trigger System" and various other similar devices.

    It then goes on to say:


    So in other words, unless you possessed the "Rapid Fire Trigger Activator" prior to 10/1/18 then you can't have it here any more.


    Someone please correct my logic if I'm wrong.

    First of all HB888 was vetoed by the governor. SB707 was the bill that was enrolled. (http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/chapters_noln/Ch_252_sb0707T.pdf)

    The definition of a machine gun is "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." 26 USC 5845(b).

    This is different from a "Burst Trigger System" because the "Burst Trigger System" requires a PULL rather than a single function and the additional shots must be caused by "altering the trigger reset".

    Machine guns generally do not work by altering the trigger reset.
     

    jcutonilli

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    Well, I looked at the law and, unfortunately, it seems like a “yes”.

    Detachable magazine. -- "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.

    I’d say that a belt is an ammunition feeding device. Does that mean that linked ammo is also prohibited??

    The world has become nutty.

    Belts and/or linked ammo do not actually feed ammunition. The actual belt feeding device is not generally detachable (without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge). Magazines feed ammo because of the spring.
     

    KJackson

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 3, 2017
    8,614
    Carroll County
    I know that you asked about MD, but I know that I read a law for some state, I think it was NJ, that actually included belt fed, by name, in the bill.
     

    Hawkeye

    The Leatherstocking
    Jan 29, 2009
    3,971
    First of all HB888 was vetoed by the governor.

    Only because it was duplicative. HB 888 and SB 707 were the cross filed versions of each other. I referred to HB 888 because it was the bill that most people on here were familiar with discussing.

    The text of the two bills (the third version of HB 888 and the enrolled version of SB 707) are exactly the same as each other, so my point stands.
     

    BeoBill

    Crank in the Third Row
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 3, 2013
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    I know that you asked about MD, but I know that I read a law for some state, I think it was NJ, that actually included belt fed, by name, in the bill.

    Probably NJ. It's the true Police State that MD aspires to become. I hear constant whining from a friend from Paramus.
     

    jcutonilli

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 28, 2013
    2,474
    Only because it was duplicative. HB 888 and SB 707 were the cross filed versions of each other. I referred to HB 888 because it was the bill that most people on here were familiar with discussing.

    The text of the two bills (the third version of HB 888 and the enrolled version of SB 707) are exactly the same as each other, so my point stands.

    Your point does not stand. Apparently you missed the point.

    Machine guns generally do not work by altering the trigger reset.

    You will still be able to buy machine guns because of this.

    Additionally both bills passed both houses separately, which means they are separate pieces of legislation. If you wanted to denote the more familiar bill, refering to it as HB888/SB707 would have been a better way given they are technically separate.
     

    Shooter6

    Member
    Apr 29, 2020
    6
    i know this is bringing the thread back from the dead but i was curious about belted ammo. Is it illegal to just possess belted ammo >10 rds? or are just links themselves illegal? would a metal disintegrating linked belt would qualify under this definition:

    MD HB888 Bill:
    "Detachable magazine” means an ammunition feeding device that can be
    12 removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or
    13 without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,234
    Carroll County
    i know this is bringing the thread back from the dead but i was curious about belted ammo. Is it illegal to just possess belted ammo >10 rds? or are just links themselves illegal? would a metal disintegrating linked belt would qualify under this definition:

    MD HB888 Bill:
    "Detachable magazine” means an ammunition feeding device that can be
    12 removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or
    13 without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.




    Whatever the interpretation on belts may be, possession does not enter into it.

    You may possess magazines or "feeding devices" of any size in Maryland.

    The ten round nonsense only applies to buying, offering to sell, manufacturing, etc. You may drive to a neighboring state and buy all the 15 and 30 and 50 round magazines you want and bring them home to Maryland, take them to the range and load them up. Perfectly legal. You can't bring any back for me: only for yourself. I can't give you any. You have to go out of state and get your own.

    But possession and use is legal. You may possess belted ammo of any length.


    Now go over to "Introductions" and introduce yo' funky self, before some grumpy old fart shows up and grumbles at you.
     

    Boats

    Beer, Bikes n Boomsticks
    Mar 13, 2012
    4,073
    Howeird County
    Is a belt considered a “detachable magazine”??

    I think the law says "ammunition feeding device"

    However, technically to remove a belt from most modern belt feds DOES require removal of the top of the receiver so I wonder if
    "12 removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action"

    applies
     

    GunBum

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2018
    751
    SW Missouri
    I think the law says "ammunition feeding device"

    However, technically to remove a belt from most modern belt feds DOES require removal of the top of the receiver so I wonder if
    "12 removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action"

    applies

    The top cover hinges up without any tools on just about every belt fed ever made with a top cover.
     

    Boats

    Beer, Bikes n Boomsticks
    Mar 13, 2012
    4,073
    Howeird County
    The top cover hinges up without any tools on just about every belt fed ever made with a top cover.
    .

    Most firearms can be disassembled without the use of a tool.

    I am wondering if the opening of the top plate of the receiver (which usually has the feed shuttle and cam) and without which the firearm will not function, constitutes "disassembly of the firearm action"


    According to the law a detachable magazine is:

    Detachable magazine” means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,234
    Carroll County
    The Zombie Poster was concerned about the legality of possession.

    I think the vast majority of people do not realize that possession of any "ammunition feeding device" is not banned.

    Maryland law does not touch on possession.
     

    GunBum

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2018
    751
    SW Missouri
    .

    Most firearms can be disassembled without the use of a tool.

    I am wondering if the opening of the top plate of the receiver (which usually has the feed shuttle and cam) and without which the firearm will not function, constitutes "disassembly of the firearm action"


    According to the law a detachable magazine is:

    Detachable magazine” means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge

    Wonder away. ;)

    The interpretation by our gubment overlords is that a belt is an ammunition feeding device.
     

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