No HQL for pregnant woman?

giggity · Jan 16, 2015

My wife wants to buy a pistol so I was going to sign her up for the required safety class but she wouldn't be able complete the live fire portion of the class because she's pregnant. She still wants to get her HQL, is there another safety class that doesn't require live fire so she can get her HQL?

thomfantomas · Jan 16, 2015

no purchase of a regulated fire prior oct 2013 the training course is mandatory!unless she is retired military or leo she would be exempted!

pilotguy299 · Jan 16, 2015

give this thread a look:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=152111

303_enfield · Jan 16, 2015

How pregnant is she? Under seven months the baby is good to go. Some say eight months. Free classes in Salisbury.

Threeband · Jan 16, 2015

Why can't a pregnant woman fire one shot from a handgun? This is outrageous.

The entire live fire requirement was specifically and deliberately removed from SB281 by the legislature, then put back in extra-legally by the MSP.

We need to get that changed. It's not only NOT in the law, it was SPECIFICALLY removed from the law.

P-12 Norm · Jan 16, 2015

Threeband said:
Why can't a pregnant woman fire one shot from a handgun? This is outrageous.

The entire live fire requirement was specifically and deliberately removed from SB281 by the legislature, then put back in extra-legally by the MSP.

We need to get that changed. It's not only NOT in the law, it was SPECIFICALLY removed from the law.

Kinda the way the current denizen of 1600 Penn Ave makes new laws, too. Direct the departments under him to act in a specific way whether it is passed as legislation, or not. So the MDSP now does that? Wonderful. :mad54:

whistlersmother · Jan 16, 2015

See this:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=152111

Hunter safety cards may be used to show training. Texas has an online hunter safety class with NO live fire. Check out the thread. YMMV

Viper-Snipe · Jan 16, 2015

I took the Tx online class and have the card to prove it. Not that need it, as I have a prior 10/2013 pistol purchase. Just that it was easy to do if it can be used for the HQL.

V-S

Mike · Jan 16, 2015

If all else fails and she really wants a gun perhaps a curiosity and relic (C&R) handgun can be found that will satisfy the desire/need? I don't think the HQL is needed for C&R guns.

JPG · Jan 16, 2015

Why can't she fire a pistol? Because of the particles released in the air, if so use one of these.

giggity · Jan 16, 2015

I told her I didn't want her to go to the range due to possible lead exposure. She still wanted it get her HQL so she asked her doctor about it during a routine checkup. Her doctor advised her not to go to the range during pregnant due to possible exposure to lead and other things. So it's not the ranges saying she can't go although they also advised to wait to get the HQL. Just trying to find a way to let her get the HQL without going against the doctor's orders, besides I don't want to chance it even if the risk of exposure is low.

giggity · Jan 16, 2015

I think I'm just gonna tell her I couldn't find a way for her to get her HQL until after she gives birth. I'll just blame it on O'Malley and let her be pissed at him lol.

myright · Jan 16, 2015

There are shops that dont have a range they use a clearing bucket or something. Worth a shot I think

ShafTed · Jan 16, 2015

[How about this: tomorrow go find a LGS who has a C&R pistol for her to buy, no HQL required. Then use that pistol to exempt her from the training so she can get the HQL, plus she gets another pistol as a bonus!]

Edited again: confusion abounds between the law and MSP (so what else is new?) see my post #53.

clint · Jan 16, 2015

Yeah you don't have to go to a range. Tyler Firearms uses a little catcher device and low powder ammo. It is just one shot. You put your hand all the way inside the device so it suppresses much of the sound plus I used a Ruger SR-22 so it was really quiet. She'll probably face more toxins walking around on a hot and humid day (smog).

giggity · Jan 16, 2015

Ok. Thanks a lot guys. I'm still gonna try to talk her into waiting until after she delivers but she's pretty persistent. If she doesn't let it go I'll tell her about some of your suggestions. Thanks for the info!

traveller · Jan 16, 2015

If she is pregnant, she shouldn't take a job cleaning an indoor range with a broom, but there is no measurable lead exposure to someone during a single range session. All the cases of lead exposure relating to ranges have been in staff that routinely works in a range (e.g. coaches) and people making a living 'de-leading' ranges.

The more valid concern is noise. Again, for a single shot or even a couple during a HQL class, the sound exposure to the fetus is no different from noise exposures related to traffic, e.g. a unsupressed motorcycle starting up next to you. If the instructor has legal access to a suppressed handgun, even that concern can be completely eliminated.

Pregnant women are not made from glass.

zoostation · Jan 16, 2015

I'm not sure what the answer is but I think you may have just discovered a new avenue of constitutional challenge for this ridiculous law.

BrewDoc_MD · Jan 16, 2015

it's not just about lead toxicity, but there's a theory that the recoil force waves can travel back to the fetus, possibly harming it or the placenta. Just a theory, but do you want to be the test case?

I wouldn't risk it...but if y'all were dead set on it, I'd suggest using a semi-auto .22, light punching FMJ ammo, and as few shots as possible for her live fire. That should minimize lead exposure and recoil.

traveller · Jan 16, 2015

BrewDoc_MD said:
it's not just about lead toxicity, but there's a theory that the recoil force waves can travel back to the fetus, possibly harming it or the placenta. Just a theory, but do you want to be the test case?

That's why we dont allow pregnant women to ride mountain bikes, motorcycles or drive commercial trucks.

I doubt there is a HQL class that uses a .500 S&W for the live-fire portion, the recoil from a Buckmark is not going to cause immediate delivery.

That should minimize lead exposure and recoil.

Dont lick the bullets. There is no measureable lead exposure from a couple of rounds fired at a range or into a bullet trap.

No HQL for pregnant woman?

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