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Old March 15th, 2019, 12:31 AM #311
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With all due respect: nope. The arguments against the bills in question are objective. Objectively practical. Objectively constitutional. Objectively rational.
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Point taken. I am no Thomas Jefferson, nor a Ben Franklin or any of the others. My arguments come from me, not from someone else. They may not be winning arguments, but I never claimed that I had winning arguments. But at least I have tried and put forth effort. That is all I can do.
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HB0740 as amended is not good news. There is nothing good news about it surviving committee in any way, shape, or form. Might I suggest that you use your restored enthusiasm to fight these crap bills, including HB0740. Send letters, visit and/or call your delegates, and come down to Annapolis. I know you want to. Now's the time!
I posted in the new HB0740 thread my feelings about that particular bill. I agree that bill is totally bogus. It could have been far worse. I am doing what I can for now by donating dollars and writing letters myself. I am not sitting completely idle over here. Now that I have witnessed the Annapolis procedure, I feel confident in showing up to testify. I have to agree with fabsroman too. Certain members of the MGA are completely deaf. The more of us on the front line the better. Will see you in Annapolis sometime in the near future.
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I posted in the new HB0740 thread my feelings about that particular bill. I agree that bill is totally bogus. It could have been far worse. I am doing what I can for now by donating dollars and writing letters myself. I am not sitting completely idle over here. Now that I have witnessed the Annapolis procedure, I feel confident in showing up to testify. I have to agree with fabsroman too. Certain members of the MGA are completely deaf. The more of us on the front line the better. Will see you in Annapolis sometime in the near future.
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With all due respect: nope. The arguments against the bills in question are objective. Objectively practical. Objectively constitutional. Objectively rational.

I didn't write the Declaration of Independence, but if someone handed it to me as the basis for my appearance before an audience that needed to be convinced of the need to sever our 13 colonies from the Crown, it would be the perfect argument to study. A succinct outline of what's wrong with these bills, the ramifications of their passing, the unreasonable burdens they place on law abiding Maryland residents, and their deep friction with the Bill of Rights ... is, well, a succinct outline. It's not one person's story or another. It's the basis for the argument.

To the extent that a witless emotion-driven lefty legislator needs some emotional frosting on that constitutional cake, then, yes. A personal anecdote can fuel that. But not a single far-left member of the MDGA is going to change their minds about this entire topic, no matter what we say. So the personalized tidbits (expressed in 60 seconds at a hearing, or expressed in an email that is deleted before it's read, or a printed letter that is filed away by an intern without any consideration) is only helpful because it feels good doing it. It's not helpful - in this state, right now - in winning enough legislative hearts and minds to make any difference. That's going to happen through the courts.
It will happen through the courts or through the polls. One or the other. Until they actually start losing seats in the General Assembly and/or losing court cases, nothing is going to happen. I have no idea why people think that 60 seconds, or even 3 minutes in front of these people, ad nauseam, with what has got to be the same arguments over and over again if 500+ people testify, is going to make a difference. At testimony #500, all the legislators, probably even the conservatives, just want to get home and in bed.

I spent two days drafting up testimony in 2013. 6 pages of writing with exhibits. Dropped off my 30 copies and saw what was sitting in that room. I seriously doubt they even read what I wrote since an entire forest was in that room. I hung around for the rally, which was rather large. Wrote my then legislators and spoke personally to Gail Bates, and FSA2013 passed. Albeit nowhere near as bad as it originally was. I felt good about what I did, until I saw the final result.

Money and time might be best spent in elections and the right litigation case(s). Whether a right can be licensed is a good one. Hoping the HQL makes it to SCOTUS. If they pass the HBAR ban, that would be another wonderful one to litigate.

Now, applying NICS to almost every gun transfer, versus just the ones from dealer to buyer, might not be the best to litigate. Depends on whether the initial NICS check required by dealers has ever been litigated, what Heller says, etc. A crapton of research needs to be done on these 2nd Amendment cases before it is decided to bring the right ones.

Sadly, Gale Baits lost the election to a liberal who is in favor of "common sense" gun control to make us all safer. She and Warren Miller have not responded to the e-mails I sent them.

Can we find liberal candidates that are pro Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment? Can we find Larry Hogan at the legislative level?

If these things pass, I really do wonder what Hogan is going to do, and if he vetoes them if they will have enough votes to get them through. I know they have enough when you look at D/R, but some of those D's aren't in completely left places.
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