CA rush for CCW Permits

TxAggie · Apr 28, 2014

Just found this from a NYT article discussing the rush for gun permits (CCW, NYT can't even get that right).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/u...iority=true&module=RegiWall-Regi&action=click

Since the court decision, over 3.1 million applications have been filed, EIGHT TIMES the normal number received annually.

Any bets we would see something similar here? I mean after all, the MSP claims that "most" applications for CCW in MD are granted.

frdfandc · Apr 28, 2014

TxAggie said:
Just found this from a NYT article discussing the rush for gun permits (CCW, NYT can't even get that right).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/u...iority=true&module=RegiWall-Regi&action=click

Since the court decision, over 3.1 million applications have been filed, EIGHT TIMES the normal number received annually.

Any bets we would see something similar here? I mean after all, the MSP claims that "most" applications for CCW in MD are granted.

That should be 4,000 out of 3.1 million residents in that county.

Mr H · Apr 28, 2014

We saw (well, MSP tried desperately for us NOT to see) IMO somewhere north of 3,000 apps based on Woollard, and that was just a technical 'take your chances to prove a point' window.

If we received a solid decision??

Based on the unofficial numbers I've been working off for a few years (adjusted for the 'feel' I've gotten in my own contacts across the state), I would say we would be looking at not those 3,000... but conservatively closer to 20,000 who would be applying in the first year (and possibly many more).

IIRC, that is something like 10-15 times the annual application rate, IN ADDITION to the normal numbers.

If MSP is crying now about workloads, and can succeed in dragging their feet??? They will need some serious pressure from the people AND the Courts to make that happen.

danb · Apr 28, 2014

I'll take 10x that much based on the number of permits % I've seen for neighboring states: over 250k applications all told, 100k of those in the first year. I think they'd be lucky to get only 50k in the first year.

For 2 bricks of 22LR, shooters choice, I'll take the over on 20k. Most definitely.

ShallNotInfringe · Apr 28, 2014

MSP estimates from 2012 in this report (which is an interesting read as they prepped for the "shall issue" disposition in MD by the court):.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/170875530/Action-Plan-Handgun-Permit-Section-08-16-2012

Also here from this year by DLS if self defense is considered G&S by the proposed bill (that was never voted in committee):

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2014RS/fnotes/bil_0006/hb0036.pdf

danb · Apr 28, 2014

ShallNotInfringe said:
MSP estimates from 2012 in this report (which is an interesting read as they prepped for the "shall issue" disposition in MD by the court):.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/170875530/Action-Plan-Handgun-Permit-Section-08-16-2012

Also here from this year by DLS if self defense is considered G&S by the proposed bill (that was never voted in committee):

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2014RS/fnotes/bil_0006/hb0036.pdf

Sounds more reasonable. I was going off memory, but here is the GAO report from 2011 I was trying to summon from memory. Way at the back p 81, VA and WV: 4.7% of the population, PA 8.3%. I'd guess 6-7% for MD.

100-150k applications the first year, easy peazy. Somewhere on the Woollard thread I think we said there were about 30k Utah CCW holders in MD already. But don't quote me on that.

ryan_j · Apr 29, 2014

danb said:
Sounds more reasonable. I was going off memory, but here is the GAO report from 2011 I was trying to summon from memory. Way at the back p 81, VA and WV: 4.7% of the population, PA 8.3%. I'd guess 6-7% for MD.

100-150k applications the first year, easy peazy. Somewhere on the Woollard thread I think we said there were about 30k Utah CCW holders in MD already. But don't quote me on that.

For NJ at least, that data is suspect.

NJSP says they only issue around 600-800 permits per year and the permits expire in 2 years. There's no renewal so every permit is treated like a new one.

However, if 32k includes retired law enforcement that may be correct.

danb · Apr 29, 2014

ryan_j said:
For NJ at least, that data is suspect.

NJSP says they only issue around 600-800 permits per year and the permits expire in 2 years. There's no renewal so every permit is treated like a new one.

However, if 32k includes retired law enforcement that may be correct.

I think that they do.

Off-topic, did you see this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...w-jersey-appellate-court-on-handgun-licenses/

Not precedential but I thought it was interesting. I was going to post a thread, but for some reason I thought there already was one and just could not find it.

rockstarr · Apr 29, 2014

is it easier to get a CCW permit in new york or new jersey? Lets sweeten the pot and include Maryland.

opinions?

ShallNotInfringe · Apr 29, 2014

rockstarr said:
is it easier to get a CCW permit in new york or new jersey? Lets sweeten the pot and include Maryland.

opinions?

Depends on where in New York you are talking about...

rockstarr · Apr 29, 2014

are they fairly easy to obtain in upstate?

ryan_j · Apr 29, 2014

Some NY counties are essentially shall-issue. Most of them will give you a target and hunting permit and you can go back later and change it to an unrestricted. NY also has lifetime permits in some counties, but the SAFE act made them valid for 5 years only.

NY City you have to be Donald Trump, or similar to get an unrestricted carry permit.

Permits outside of NY City are valid only outside of the 5 boroughs of NYC. Permits from NYC are valid statewide.

In terms of ease, I would say that NY State (outside of NYC) is the easiest, followed by MD, then NYC, then NJ. There are people who live in NJ who have NYC permits (for work most likely) and they are told put the gun in the trunk until they reach NYC.

But don't think it is easy to get one in NYC. Look up Bernhard Goetz, and the subway incident. He was robbed and attacked and carries valuables and NYC said he had no need. But if you are a big campaign donor or political big wig (eg John Catsimatidis) you can get a permit, but the angle is that you get a carry business permit for your business instead of a personal "red card" which is what Anthony Cumia has.

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